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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    I have a problem with 47% of the working people in this country paying nothing in Federal Income taxes. The question I have is why don't you? Do you also condemn Bush for the billions he sent to Africa to eradicate AIDS?

    Guess I am not going to get an answer as to how much the Iraq War added to each yearly deficit. Wonder if you have any idea how much 9/11 cost the taxpayer?
    So, Obama is responsible for 9/11? You seem to already know how much Bush's war cost us annually....why ask me? Besides, deficits are not the only issue here, national debt is part of the problem. Borrowing money from future generations to take vengeance on Iraq should be a criminal offense. But, selfishness isn't a crime, is it? Do you have grandchildren?
    Money to fight AIDS is a good thing, we are saving lives, and helping to prevent the spread of disease. Money spent to kill Iraqi citizens is not a good thing. 9/11 shouldn't have cost the taxpayer anything, the Saudis should have paid for that. Even the war on terror has misspent funds. We are trying to buy influence in a region that hates us and most everything we stand for. Bought friends rarely stay bought..
    Our infrastructure is falling apart while we "spread democracy" on the other side of the world..and you are OK with that?
    Taking care of our own needs first will generate more jobs here in the USA. If we want sufficient tax revenue with low tax rates, we need more employment at a living wage. It makes no sense to want to pay our people low wages and then expect them to pay taxes as well. It sounds like you want to subsidize business and enrich stock holders at the expense of those who are barely squeaking by.
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    UtahBill;1059069506]So, Obama is responsible for 9/11? You seem to already know how much Bush's war cost us annually....why ask me? Besides, deficits are not the only issue here, national debt is part of the problem. Borrowing money from future generations to take vengeance on Iraq should be a criminal offense. But, selfishness isn't a crime, is it? Do you have grandchildren?
    It is Friday and you must have started drinking early. Who said Obama was responsible for 9/11? I asked you if you knew how much it cost and then figure out how much that added to the deficit and debt. There would be no national debt if there weren't deficits. If you don't know how much the Iraq war cost then how do you know that the Iraq War is the cause of the debt that is being funded by borrowing? Yes, I have five Grandkids


    Money to fight AIDS is a good thing, we are saving lives, and helping to prevent the spread of disease. Money spent to kill Iraqi citizens is not a good thing. 9/11 shouldn't have cost the taxpayer anything, the Saudis should have paid for that. Even the war on terror has misspent funds. We are trying to buy influence in a region that hates us and most everything we stand for. Bought friends rarely stay bought..
    I see, so spending money to save selected people good but not to save another group is bad, got it! Saddam Hussein is no longer seeking WMD and sponsoring and supporting terrorism. Guess I still have a problem understanding what any of that has to do with today? Some people use the past to divert from the present. Looks like you fall into that category.

    Our infrastructure is falling apart while we "spread democracy" on the other side of the world..and you are OK with that?
    Taking care of our own needs first will generate more jobs here in the USA. If we want sufficient tax revenue with low tax rates, we need more employment at a living wage. It makes no sense to want to pay our people low wages and then expect them to pay taxes as well. It sounds like you want to subsidize business and enrich stock holders at the expense of those who are barely squeaking by.
    So your answer is spend more money on infrastructure. Any idea where all that excise money is going for the gasoline purchased each day? I doubt seriously that the spending on the Iraq War affected the money set aside for infrastructure. where do you get your information? You keep buying the media rhetoric and never ask the tough questions. Do you honestly believe that the govt. doesn't have the money for the infrastructure and if not it is because of the wars?

    Do you think it is the government's role to set what private business pays its employees? Who determines what a living wage is, you? govt? Does it cost as much to live in Utah as it does in California?

    Interesting how individual biases determine what a living wage is. Think having a wide screen TV, cell phone, computer, designer tennis shoes is something the poor are required to have? How do you know what makes people poor and what their living expenses are? Why is it that the poor here are upper middle or rich in other countries? You spout a lot of generalities without offering proof. Start there instead of offering your opinions.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    It is Friday and you must have started drinking early. Who said Obama was responsible for 9/11? I asked you if you knew how much it cost and then figure out how much that added to the deficit and debt. There would be no national debt if there weren't deficits. If you don't know how much the Iraq war cost then how do you know that the Iraq War is the cause of the debt that is being funded by borrowing? Yes, I have five Grandkids




    I see, so spending money to save selected people good but not to save another group is bad, got it! Saddam Hussein is no longer seeking WMD and sponsoring and supporting terrorism. Guess I still have a problem understanding what any of that has to do with today? Some people use the past to divert from the present. Looks like you fall into that category.



    So your answer is spend more money on infrastructure. Any idea where all that excise money is going for the gasoline purchased each day? I doubt seriously that the spending on the Iraq War affected the money set aside for infrastructure. where do you get your information? You keep buying the media rhetoric and never ask the tough questions. Do you honestly believe that the govt. doesn't have the money for the infrastructure and if not it is because of the wars?

    Do you think it is the government's role to set what private business pays its employees? Who determines what a living wage is, you? govt? Does it cost as much to live in Utah as it does in California?

    Interesting how individual biases determine what a living wage is. Think having a wide screen TV, cell phone, computer, designer tennis shoes is something the poor are required to have? How do you know what makes people poor and what their living expenses are? Why is it that the poor here are upper middle or rich in other countries? You spout a lot of generalities without offering proof. Start there instead of offering your opinions.
    I know lots of "poor" who have more toys than they need, won't disagree with that issue. And if anybody here is a master of generalities, it is you.
    Gas taxes should go up by double. With improvements in MPG, modern cars use much less than 20 or 30 years ago, so tax revenue is down. It needs to be adjusted.
    Saddam didn't have WMD, and was only playing a charade about them because he feared his neighbors. Our intellgence was bad, and contrived.
    The citizens of Iraq didn't have the courage to kill Saddam, so we "rescued" them. Are we going to rescue North Korea next? How will we pay for that, another tax cut?
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I know lots of "poor" who have more toys than they need, won't disagree with that issue. And if anybody here is a master of generalities, it is you.
    Gas taxes should go up by double. With improvements in MPG, modern cars use much less than 20 or 30 years ago, so tax revenue is down. It needs to be adjusted.
    Saddam didn't have WMD, and was only playing a charade about them because he feared his neighbors. Our intellgence was bad, and contrived.
    The citizens of Iraq didn't have the courage to kill Saddam, so we "rescued" them. Are we going to rescue North Korea next? How will we pay for that, another tax cut?
    Utah Bill, I got an infraction for the drinking comments. I apologize, it was an attempt at a joke and I meant nothing personal.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    Utah Bill, I got an infraction for the drinking comments. I apologize, it was an attempt at a joke and I meant nothing personal.
    Not offended, besides, I argue better intoxicated than you do sober....
    Just an opinion, of course, as I don't drink alcohol unless I have a really bad cold....used to get those colds once a year, in the spring, but haven't the last 2 years. That takes away a good excuse to drink whiskey. Anybody got some cold germs to spare?
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Not offended, besides, I argue better intoxicated than you do sober....
    Just an opinion, of course, as I don't drink alcohol unless I have a really bad cold....used to get those colds once a year, in the spring, but haven't the last 2 years. That takes away a good excuse to drink whiskey. Anybody got some cold germs to spare?
    Thanks, Utah, appreciate the comments. I really meant no disrespect and glad you weren't offended. I have appealed the infraction. this is one that I didn't deserve, IMO.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thanks, Utah, appreciate the comments. I really meant no disrespect and glad you weren't offended. I have appealed the infraction. this is one that I didn't deserve, IMO.
    But, what about all the times you did deserve it, and didn't get caught? That's what my parents used to say when they smacked me for what my little brother did...
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    But, what about all the times you did deserve it, and didn't get caught? That's what my parents used to say when they smacked me for what my little brother did...
    LOL, we won't talk about those times nor will we talk about all those who have attacked me that I would never report. I just don't believe in reporting people for any reason. I am a big boy and can handle the heat.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I love it when you block PM messages that are in response to one of yours.
    I was tired of you insults Conservative and told you I was ending the dialog so I turned off PM for a few days.


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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I was tired of you insults Conservative and told you I was ending the dialog so I turned off PM for a few days.
    Some apparently have very thin skin and have problems being challenged calling those challenges insults. Facts have a way of getting in your way most of the time. Any time you want to get back on the issues let me know. I look forward to refuting your comments with actual verifiable data which in this case came from the checkbook of the United States, the U.S. Treasury Dept.

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