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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    How much on a yearly basis did those wars cost us? Why is it so many people don't understand the true role of the Federal Govt? Stop repeating liberal talking points and think.
    So, the true role of govt is getting us involved with unwinnable wars half way around the world? I agree that liberals are big spenders, they tax and spend in a grand manner. But the conservatives who vote for wars are doing the same thing, spending money we don't have to do things that don't need to be done. THEY borrow and spend.
    Conservative talking points are, generally speaking, just as stupid as liberal talking points. It is propaganda aimed at the low hanging fruit. The difference is, conservatives think their voters are stupid enough to not know they are being fed propaganda, and they may be right....look who they elected before Obama.....
    The bar has been set so low that dippy airhead attractive blondes actually have a chance to get elected. If that happens, late night talk show hosts can fire half their writers.
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    So, the true role of govt is getting us involved with unwinnable wars half way around the world? I agree that liberals are big spenders, they tax and spend in a grand manner. But the conservatives who vote for wars are doing the same thing, spending money we don't have to do things that don't need to be done. THEY borrow and spend.
    Conservative talking points are, generally speaking, just as stupid as liberal talking points. It is propaganda aimed at the low hanging fruit. The difference is, conservatives think their voters are stupid enough to not know they are being fed propaganda, and they may be right....look who they elected before Obama.....
    The bar has been set so low that dippy airhead attractive blondes actually have a chance to get elected. If that happens, late night talk show hosts can fire half their writers.
    True conservatives believe in personal responsibility and solving their own problems. Liberals believe in personal freedoms but only when the majority agree with those freedoms. If they don't then it is up to the courts to overturn the will of the people.

    Whether or not you supported the wars at this point is irrelevant. I asked you how much they cost on a yearly basis and didn't get an answer. Let's say it was a trillion dollars for the two wars or 2 trillion dollars or even three trillion dollars, how much is that on a yearly basis since the war began and what percentage is that of the deficits created and thus the debt. That is a typical liberal talking point

    Today we have had two trillion dollar deficits in two years, how much of that is due to the wars? Where is the rest?

    I would agree with you that all are being fed propaganda but the reality is I prefer the Conservative propaganda because it focuses on individuals keeping more of what they earn and deciding how to spend it vs. govt. redistributing personal income. Makes a lot more sense to me.

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    True conservatives believe in personal responsibility and solving their own problems. Liberals believe in personal freedoms but only when the majority agree with those freedoms. If they don't then it is up to the courts to overturn the will of the people.

    Whether or not you supported the wars at this point is irrelevant. I asked you how much they cost on a yearly basis and didn't get an answer. Let's say it was a trillion dollars for the two wars or 2 trillion dollars or even three trillion dollars, how much is that on a yearly basis since the war began and what percentage is that of the deficits created and thus the debt. That is a typical liberal talking point

    Today we have had two trillion dollar deficits in two years, how much of that is due to the wars? Where is the rest?

    I would agree with you that all are being fed propaganda but the reality is I prefer the Conservative propaganda because it focuses on individuals keeping more of what they earn and deciding how to spend it vs. govt. redistributing personal income. Makes a lot more sense to me.
    What does "yearly" cost of a war have to do with it? All of the money spent in Iraq was wasted. How conservative is that?
    We have issues at home that are more important than yet another futile effort to bring democracy to some sand pit in the middle east. Besides, there already is democracy there, in Israel, and it doesn't impress the Arab world one bit.
    While we rebuild what we destroyed over there, our own infrastucture is suffering. We need to employ OUR people in OUR country taking care of our own needs..
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    What does "yearly" cost of a war have to do with it? All of the money spent in Iraq was wasted. How conservative is that?
    We have issues at home that are more important than yet another futile effort to bring democracy to some sand pit in the middle east. Besides, there already is democracy there, in Israel, and it doesn't impress the Arab world one bit.
    While we rebuild what we destroyed over there, our own infrastucture is suffering. We need to employ OUR people in OUR country taking care of our own needs..
    Yearly costs of the war affect the deficit. I doubt that freeing 25 million Iraqis would be considered wasted and getting rid of an evil regime that was still fighting the Gulf war was wasted.

    Our infrastructure isn't suffering because of lack of funds, it is suffering because of waste, fraud, and abuse of the money the infrastructure gets. We have 16 million unemployed Americans, 4 million more than when Obama passed the trillion dollar stimulus plan. Unemployment on a month to month basis is higher now than it was last year when the recession ended. We should be looking at 4-6% economic growth but instead it was 2% initial for the third qtr. never in the history of this country has the end of a recession led to these kind of numbers and Obama says "give me more time."

    Sorry, but your time is up!

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    Yearly costs of the war affect the deficit. I doubt that freeing 25 million Iraqis would be considered wasted and getting rid of an evil regime that was still fighting the Gulf war was wasted.

    Our infrastructure isn't suffering because of lack of funds, it is suffering because of waste, fraud, and abuse of the money the infrastructure gets. We have 16 million unemployed Americans, 4 million more than when Obama passed the trillion dollar stimulus plan. Unemployment on a month to month basis is higher now than it was last year when the recession ended. We should be looking at 4-6% economic growth but instead it was 2% initial for the third qtr. never in the history of this country has the end of a recession led to these kind of numbers and Obama says "give me more time."

    Sorry, but your time is up!
    Yes, give it more time. It should start working right about the time the GOP takes over, so they can take credit for it.
    You know about inertia and momentum. What was done over a period of decades cannot be undone in a few years. I was in the Navy for 12 years, and saw a lot of waste. The budget system encourages it.
    And if you think our blood and guts and money wasted in Iraq was worth it, you must be making money on some kind of govt contract.
    We have never, in world history, changed a culture in anything less than 500 years or so....
    Besides, the Iraq war has nothing to do with oil, culture, democracy, etc. It was about revenge..
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Yes, give it more time. It should start working right about the time the GOP takes over, so they can take credit for it.
    You know about inertia and momentum. What was done over a period of decades cannot be undone in a few years. I was in the Navy for 12 years, and saw a lot of waste. The budget system encourages it.
    And if you think our blood and guts and money wasted in Iraq was worth it, you must be making money on some kind of govt contract.
    We have never, in world history, changed a culture in anything less than 500 years or so....
    Besides, the Iraq war has nothing to do with oil, culture, democracy, etc. It was about revenge..
    So you believe adding 3 trillion to the debt is working? Where is your evidence when month to month this year unemployment is higher than last year when the recession ended? There is no question that when the Republicans get in that things will get better as Obama will either moderate to the center or create gridlock and both are good.

    Too bad so many are so nearsighted. Iraq with a evil dictator in a region of the world that impacts the world economy somehow isn't a problem. Why is it that liberals only address problems after they occur instead of being proactive and preventing them. Liberals claim to be experts on the future yet when their predictions are wrong they are already off to some other issue and never admit they were wrong.

    Still hearing liberals blaming the Iraq War for the deficits yet not one has given us the cost of that war on a yearly basis, so let me help you. According to the Treasury the Iraq War has cost 700 billion dollars over 8 years and even if that was 1 trillion dollars over 7 years that is around 100 billion per year. What was the yearly deficit? One trillion sounds like a huge number and it is but that is over 7 years, not yearly like the 1.4 trillion deficit in 2009 and 1.29 trillion in fiscal year 2010. Think about it?

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    So you believe adding 3 trillion to the debt is working? Where is your evidence when month to month this year unemployment is higher than last year when the recession ended? There is no question that when the Republicans get in that things will get better as Obama will either moderate to the center or create gridlock and both are good.

    Too bad so many are so nearsighted. Iraq with a evil dictator in a region of the world that impacts the world economy somehow isn't a problem. Why is it that liberals only address problems after they occur instead of being proactive and preventing them. Liberals claim to be experts on the future yet when their predictions are wrong they are already off to some other issue and never admit they were wrong.

    Still hearing liberals blaming the Iraq War for the deficits yet not one has given us the cost of that war on a yearly basis, so let me help you. According to the Treasury the Iraq War has cost 700 billion dollars over 8 years and even if that was 1 trillion dollars over 7 years that is around 100 billion per year. What was the yearly deficit? One trillion sounds like a huge number and it is but that is over 7 years, not yearly like the 1.4 trillion deficit in 2009 and 1.29 trillion in fiscal year 2010. Think about it?
    If you cons want to save the world, you should also be willing to pay the taxes that will be required to be the world's police force.
    Do you think Saddam was the only dictator in the world, or maybe the only one sitting on oil? We haven't gone into poor african countries that are destabilizing their region, have we?
    BTW, much of what you are complaining about started under BUSH, Jr. Only an idiot starts a war with an already whipped country. If Saddam was so bad, why didn't the "more stable" Arab countries in the region send their troops to do the job?
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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If you cons want to save the world, you should also be willing to pay the taxes that will be required to be the world's police force.
    Do you think Saddam was the only dictator in the world, or maybe the only one sitting on oil? We haven't gone into poor african countries that are destabilizing their region, have we?
    BTW, much of what you are complaining about started under BUSH, Jr. Only an idiot starts a war with an already whipped country. If Saddam was so bad, why didn't the "more stable" Arab countries in the region send their troops to do the job?
    I have a problem with 47% of the working people in this country paying nothing in Federal Income taxes. The question I have is why don't you? Do you also condemn Bush for the billions he sent to Africa to eradicate AIDS?

    Guess I am not going to get an answer as to how much the Iraq War added to each yearly deficit. Wonder if you have any idea how much 9/11 cost the taxpayer?

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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

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    I have a problem with 47% of the working people in this country paying nothing in Federal Income taxes.
    I love it, when the Bush cuts the taxes, the conservatives were saying how much it benefited low income people. Now they are dissing it. Complete and total hypocrites.


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    Re: So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I love it, when the Bush cuts the taxes, the conservatives were saying how much it benefited low income people. Now they are dissing it. Complete and total hypocrites.
    I love it when you block PM messages that are in response to one of yours. I further love it when you ignore the actual results of "your" President and continue to focus on the past while ignoring the cliff that Obama is leading our economy over. Still don't get the results, do you? 4 million more unemployed today than when Obama took office, higher unemployment month to month this year over last, 3 trillion added to the debt in two years, and economic growth still very low and not creating jobs. Congratulations, you got your wish, the movement towards a European style socialist economy as that region works to ditch it.

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