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CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

Fail to respond to clip. . you being arrogent. . . insult my ability to comprehend english. Are you trying to insult me?? Come on you can do better than that.
Um... you offered no response whatesoever to the susbance of the clip. Period.

You offered no other argument than the clip so to this point it was your ONLY argument.
Again: I said "For starters".
Why dont you address the substance of the clip, and then we can move on to further arguments to the noted effect.

It was an 8:30 minute skit from someone who has made a living off of makeing a joke of President Bush and the Republican party.
Whch only adds to his credibility when taking The Obama to task.

Yes, President Obama made critiacl statements against President Bush. Saying what President Bush did was poor judgement. John Stewart pointed out how President Obama has made similar choices.
Yes...
The Obama described what was wrong with Bush policies and then continued, if not extended, exactly what Bush did.
If Bush was terrible because of his policies, how is The Obama, who continued and expanded those policies, not worse?
 
Why dont you address the substance of the clip, and then we can move on to further arguments to the noted effect.?

I addressed the clip and will do so again. In the 8:30 clip John Stewart takes a few of President Obamas campaign statements where he was critical of President Bush and in a very funny way expresses how in fact he did not change anything at all. Instead he continued in the very same way in which President Bush did.

That being said, there are many of those same campaign statments that President Obama did disagree and did change policy. You can not take a few items off of the campaign platform and say "if he did not follow through on them he is worse than the other guy". That is flaued logic.

Whch only adds to his credibility when taking The Obama to task.

So if John Stewart spent 99% of his time showing the awful mistakes President Bush made and then 8:30 minutes compairing a few of those issues you jump to the conclusion that President Obama is worse. NO.

I dont agree with your logic. You can not connect a small fraction of a presidency and say these are similar so he is worse.





Whch only adds to his credibility when taking The Obama to task.


Yes...
The Obama described what was wrong with Bush policies and then continued, if not extended, exactly what Bush did.
If Bush was terrible because of his policies, how is The Obama, who continued and expanded those policies, not worse?[/QUOTE]
 
Please disregard the last part. I posted it without realizing the last part was there.
 
Please disregard the last part. I posted it without realizing the last part was there.
So...
The Obama described what was wrong with Bush policies and then continued, if not extended, exactly what Bush did.
If Bush was terrible because of his policies, how is The Obama, who continued and expanded those policies, not worse?
 
So...
The Obama described what was wrong with Bush policies and then continued, if not extended, exactly what Bush did.
If Bush was terrible because of his policies, how is The Obama, who continued and expanded those policies, not worse?

You must have an OCD because thats all you keep saying. You have no real argument so I win.
 
You must have an OCD because thats all you keep saying. You have no real argument so I win.
This IS my argument, one you have yet to counter.
You win? Keep dreaming.
 
Thanks for that quote from Sobran. . . made me chuckle.

Always interesting reading political post sites. . .
People with answers ask how could it be and risk the ridicule.
People with ideologies typically have hearing deficiencies.
People who lose complain about what is.
People who win think they are right and justified.
The winners and the losers change places regularly.
 
All Presidents spend money – or rather get the Congress to do it. The spending amount is due to their economic and political philosophy. Bush and Obama both got into office having made a lot of promises. Both entered with their own agenda and ideology. Both were smashed against the wall with the reality of being President (i.e. the collective nation is not as nice as your constituents at rallies. The rest of the world does not care much what you promised to the American people - they have their own agenda. The things you didn’t know before entering the Presidency (restricted information) now seem like really, really, big problems, and the Economic dynamics are much greater and more complex than Econ101)

Bush was faced with his problems: Twin Towers, Katrina, Middle east tension, Oil price manipulation . . .on and on. . . He is mostly a free market Conservative with a compassion for older people. And regardless of what a person thinks about the middle east. . . the lack of free flow of oil for this country – considering that there is so much attention given to not using resources in our own country – will devastate this country making the Great Recession look like a mud puddle in an ocean of poverty.

Obama, too has had his issues, too: a sinking global (not just American) economy. The world economy did not collapse simply because of what greedy bankers and Wall Street did (although that certainly did not help), how to maintain a better-than-horrific stability for those caught up in the collateral damage of globalization (i.e. comparative advantage, free trade, etc); How to deal with the Middle East. . .ongoing theme for the next several Presidents. Obama has a great deal of compassion for minorities and people that haven’t been able to (through lack of opportunity, training, circumstances or desire) move into better economic situations. Those same people were slammed even harder during this economic dump. He has also had the same millennia-old problem (that Bush did) of thugs in the middle east that refuse to compromise and would rather manipulate the media instead of come up with real solutions. He runs left of center and created a pretty big expectation for what he would cure while in office. However, like any ideologue, answers come from only one side of the isle.

The money methods are what we argue about, though. One person is a Keynesian, the other free-market. Both have a place. The market will eventually balance out after the storm of capital redistribution, all by itself. Keynes just thought that he could make the landing softer by increasing government spending. . . . True, but it has a cost – debt and inflation.

What we will always be arguing here, folks, are the periphery of the real core issues. And at the base of the core issues are how can I make someone else do what I am sure is right. Good Luck.

Don't worry. Not all my posts will be this long. :)
 
Obama has already been nominated the 15th best president. Ranking 24 places higher than Bush.

President Bush by far did the worst job as president than any one else has in a long while. He is the reason we are in this current crisis, along with everyone he allowed to have a hand in the 9/11 incident and the "War on Terror".

If you don't believe this you a fool.

Sounds a lot like personal feelings not based upon any facts. Obama won the election with 52% of the vote and today has 42% approval ratings so something has happened to cost him 10% and that is the numbers. Some here blame Bush without knowing the basic facts. GW Bush never had a trillion dollar deficit and GW Bush never had 16 million unemployed Americans. NBER claims that the recession Obama claims he inherited ended in June 2009 yet the economic conditions are worse today than they were last year, higher unemployment each month of 2010 vs. 2009, higher deficits, and lower economic growth.

Facts always get in the way of the feelings of far too many. I would take GW Bush back in a heartbeat and so would millions of Americans.
 
Fail to respond to clip. . you being arrogent. . . insult my ability to comprehend english. Are you trying to insult me?? Come on you can do better than that.

You offered no other argument than the clip so to this point it was your ONLY argument. It was an 8:30 minute skit from someone who has made a living off of makeing a joke of President Bush and the Republican party. Yes, President Obama made critiacl statements against President Bush. Saying what President Bush did was poor judgement. John Stewart pointed out how President Obama has made similar choices. Here is what you leave out. If you want to use John Stewart as a litnus test for poor judgement then lets count the number of times he used President Bushs words against him. I win.

Stop trying to insulting me and bring up a real point. Your logic on your last statement is so wacked its hard to even try to point out why its so wrong.

Please name for me one success of Barack Obama in two years and any economic prediction that he has been accurate. Based purely on economics Obama has been a disaster and continues to promote his big govt. agenda totally turning his back on the private sector. Far too many buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance.

Obama claimed he "inherited" a 1.3 trillion dollar DEFICITS. That is a lie, deficits are yearly and the fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to September so there is no way that Bush created a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit from October 2009 to January 2010.

Obama claims he brought us back from the brink when the reality was it was TARP that saved the banks and that was a Bush program. TARP was passed in October 2008, 700 billion, and Bush spent 350 billion leaving 350 billion for Obama. Much of TARP was paid back so what did Obama do with the money?

Obama claimed that the stimulus plan was going to keep unemployment from exceeding 8% and had to be passed immediately. It was passed in February 2009 and unemployment went up and continues to be high today. Unemployment every month of 2010 is higher than it was in 2009 so please tell us how the Stimulus plan helped anyone

NBER claims that the recession that Obama says he inherited, although he was part of the Congress that did nothing to prevent it, ended in June 2009 yet economic results in 2010 are less than 2009.

GW Bush never had a trillion dollar deficits and two years into office Obama has had two.

GW Bush never had 16 million unemployed Americans and in spite of the stimulus there are over 2 million less employed people today than in December 2008

Facts are a difficult thing to acknowledge by a liberal most of whom operate on feelings fueled by ignorance.
 
This IS my argument, one you have yet to counter.
You win? Keep dreaming.

Second, in my saying "start here", it shoudl be clear to anyone familiar with the English language that said clip was NOT my entire argument, just the beginning.

Now your argument means a little as your claim to have grasp of the english language.
 
Now your argument means a little as your claim to have grasp of the english language.
When you can actually address the argument I present, let me know. Else, it remains sound.
If you belive that GWB was a terrible president because of XYZ, you -must- conclude that The Obama is a worse president because of >XYZ.
No other conclusion is possible.
 
Please name for me one success of Barack Obama in two years...
According to Biden, the greatest success of The Obama's adminitration so far is not screwing up GWB's plan to exit Iraq.
 
Please name for me one success of Barack Obama in two years and any economic prediction that he has been accurate. Based purely on economics Obama has been a disaster and continues to promote his big govt. agenda totally turning his back on the private sector. Far too many buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance.

Obama claimed he "inherited" a 1.3 trillion dollar DEFICITS. That is a lie, deficits are yearly and the fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to September so there is no way that Bush created a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit from October 2009 to January 2010.

Obama claims he brought us back from the brink when the reality was it was TARP that saved the banks and that was a Bush program. TARP was passed in October 2008, 700 billion, and Bush spent 350 billion leaving 350 billion for Obama. Much of TARP was paid back so what did Obama do with the money?

Obama claimed that the stimulus plan was going to keep unemployment from exceeding 8% and had to be passed immediately. It was passed in February 2009 and unemployment went up and continues to be high today. Unemployment every month of 2010 is higher than it was in 2009 so please tell us how the Stimulus plan helped anyone

NBER claims that the recession that Obama says he inherited, although he was part of the Congress that did nothing to prevent it, ended in June 2009 yet economic results in 2010 are less than 2009.

GW Bush never had a trillion dollar deficits and two years into office Obama has had two.

GW Bush never had 16 million unemployed Americans and in spite of the stimulus there are over 2 million less employed people today than in December 2008

Facts are a difficult thing to acknowledge by a liberal most of whom operate on feelings fueled by ignorance.

I do not agree with the money being spent by Predisent Obama any more than I did with President Bush. They both have spent my money in and unwise way with a total disregard for the fact that WE are paying for it.

I do beleive that a few things have been a success. The new airline rules have helped. The new requirement that fast food will be required to include ingrediants and health facts will be good. The new rules on gift cards was needed. Getting the troops out of Iraq was a good move. If I did point out something that was a success would you be able to admit it. . .

Again, not a fan of President Obama but your claim that he is responsible for the current economic situation is so unreasonable that its hard to use logic. Because your statements are not based upon logic or fact.

Please answer this, when was the first budget that President Obama signed.
 
When you can actually address the argument I present, let me know. Else, it remains sound.
If you belive that GWB was a terrible president because of XYZ, you -must- conclude that The Obama is a worse president because of >XYZ.
No other conclusion is possible.

So you admit your entire argument is that because of the statments made by President Obama regarding some of the policies of President Bush. Such that when President Obama did not change those policies he critisized. He is therefore a worse president.
 
According to Biden, the greatest success of The Obama's adminitration so far is not screwing up GWB's plan to exit Iraq.

Lets not start with Biden. He is almost as bad as President Bush.
 
So you admit your entire argument is that because of the statments made by President Obama regarding some of the policies of President Bush. Such that when President Obama did not change those policies he critisized. He is therefore a worse president.
When you can actually address the argument I present, let me know. Else, it remains sound.
If you belive that GWB was a terrible president because of XYZ, you -must- conclude that The Obama is a worse president because of >XYZ.
No other conclusion is possible.
 
I do not agree with the money being spent by Predisent Obama any more than I did with President Bush. They both have spent my money in and unwise way with a total disregard for the fact that WE are paying for it.

I do beleive that a few things have been a success. The new airline rules have helped. The new requirement that fast food will be required to include ingrediants and health facts will be good. The new rules on gift cards was needed. Getting the troops out of Iraq was a good move. If I did point out something that was a success would you be able to admit it. . .

Again, not a fan of President Obama but your claim that he is responsible for the current economic situation is so unreasonable that its hard to use logic. Because your statements are not based upon logic or fact.

Please answer this, when was the first budget that President Obama signed.



Don't you see what you are pointing to as a success is expansion of the Federal govt. and massive regulations?

Getting the troops out of Iraq was the Bush doctrine and had nothing to do with Obama however looks to me like he is turnning victory into defeat. Obama kept Gates and then brought back Petraeus to save his rear in Afghanistan so I don't see anything on the security issue that is truly Obama's. Correct me where I am wrong?

Why do you say that Bush alone created the economic mess we are in? How can any President especially one with a Democrat Congress from January 2007 to the end of his term do that damage alone? Wasn't Obama in the Congress? Maybe if he had done a better job of doing his job instead of running for the next one things would have gotten better. Instead all Obama has done is blame Bush and then made things worse. Stop buying the rhetoric and get the facts.

Obama signed the first budget in mid 2009 for fiscal year 2010 and that was over a trillion dollar deficit. Just because a President signs a budget doesn't mean that President cannot cut spending with the help of Congress. Obama didn't do that and in fact put Bush spending on steroids. It was indeed the Bush budget for 2009 but it was Obama that created the 862 billion stimulus, took over GM/Chrysler, and had 350 billion of the TARP money to spend in 2009 so when he blames Bush for the deficit, he lied. Where did the TARP bailout repayment go that came in during 2009?

Now answer the question I raised how did Bush create a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit in 4 months of fiscal year 2009?
 
Don't you see what you are pointing to as a success is expansion of the Federal govt. and massive regulations?

Getting the troops out of Iraq was the Bush doctrine and had nothing to do with Obama however looks to me like he is turnning victory into defeat. Obama kept Gates and then brought back Petraeus to save his rear in Afghanistan so I don't see anything on the security issue that is truly Obama's. Correct me where I am wrong?

Why do you say that Bush alone created the economic mess we are in? How can any President especially one with a Democrat Congress from January 2007 to the end of his term do that damage alone? Wasn't Obama in the Congress? Maybe if he had done a better job of doing his job instead of running for the next one things would have gotten better. Instead all Obama has done is blame Bush and then made things worse. Stop buying the rhetoric and get the facts.

Obama signed the first budget in mid 2009 for fiscal year 2010 and that was over a trillion dollar deficit. Just because a President signs a budget doesn't mean that President cannot cut spending with the help of Congress. Obama didn't do that and in fact put Bush spending on steroids. It was indeed the Bush budget for 2009 but it was Obama that created the 862 billion stimulus, took over GM/Chrysler, and had 350 billion of the TARP money to spend in 2009 so when he blames Bush for the deficit, he lied. Where did the TARP bailout repayment go that came in during 2009?

Now answer the question I raised how did Bush create a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit in 4 months of fiscal year 2009?

I do not want an expansion of the Federal Govt. I also do not want the government to take my money and put it in the pocket of Big Business. Those items I mentioned do not create massive regulations. According to what your saying we should stop inspecting our food products. That its ok to have issues with our beef, eggs, spinich. Im not saying I want NO government. I think the roll should be to protect cunsumers not the pocket of big business.

I never wanted the troops in Iraq. I still dont know why we sent them in the first place.

I did not say President Bush alone created the economic mess we are in. But neither did President Obama. Talking about deregulation. Consider what roll that played. You would have thought that we learned that lesson in 1928.

So we have had President Obamas fiscal policy in place for a year. While I do not agree with the amout we are spending your statments make it sound like he is to blame for our economic situation and he is not. I did not agree with the stimulus or the take over of GM/Chrysler. I think it was wrong. I also disagreed with helping the banks. Any bank to big to fail is to big. . .period. I beleive the reference to the deficit was on the 2009 budget. Not sure.

I never said President Bush created a 1.3 Trillion dollar deficit in 4 months. Not sure where those numbers came from. Maybe was his 2009 budget and on top he signed <3 days into the 2009 budget> the 700 billion stimulus.
 
ender1;1059058305]I do not want an expansion of the Federal Govt. I also do not want the government to take my money and put it in the pocket of Big Business. Those items I mentioned do not create massive regulations. According to what your saying we should stop inspecting our food products. That its ok to have issues with our beef, eggs, spinich. Im not saying I want NO government. I think the roll should be to protect cunsumers not the pocket of big business.
I never wanted the troops in Iraq. I still dont know why we sent them in the first place.

Not sure where you get your information but apparently you buy what you are told instead of doing some research. Do you realize that your dollars aren't going to big business or any other business? It is all about tax credits coming off the income that businesses have earned not checks from the Treasury to businesses. Do you realize that 80% of the businesses in this country aren't BIG Business? Those are the job creators but when you attack business in general it isn't the big businesses getting hurt, it is the smaller businesses.

As for regulations, how about enforcing the ones we have instead of creating more. None of the regulations Obama has implemented change the fact that we already had regulations to protect the consumers. All his efforts have been for show and the results speak for themselves. Look at results instead of listening to rhetoric.

Yes, his reference was for fiscal year 2009 so explain to me how President Bush is responsible for the 862 billion dollar stimulus spending which added to the debt, GM/Chrysler bailout which added to the debt, and 350 billion of TARP money left for Obama to spend? Obama told us he inherited the 1.3 trillion deficit before fiscal year 2009 was even over which is just another Obama lie.

I did not say President Bush alone created the economic mess we are in. But neither did President Obama. Talking about deregulation. Consider what roll that played. You would have thought that we learned that lesson in 1928.

So we have had President Obamas fiscal policy in place for a year. While I do not agree with the amout we are spending your statments make it sound like he is to blame for our economic situation and he is not. I did not agree with the stimulus or the take over of GM/Chrysler. I think it was wrong. I also disagreed with helping the banks. Any bank to big to fail is to big. . .period. I beleive the reference to the deficit was on the 2009 budget. Not sure.

Obama's fiscal policy started with the stimulus in February 2009. He has put Bush spending on steroids and with what results? Results matter, not rhetoric and Obama's results speak volumes. According to NBER the recession ended in June 2009 yet in 2010 economic growth is lower than 2009 and unemployment is higher each month vs. 2009. How do you explain that.

Many here have blamed Bush but ignore the role of Congress. Many further ignore results and instead buy the rhetoric. How can a recession that ended 4 months after Obama took office have anything to do with Obama policies? Then with the recession ending last June why is economic growth worse now than it was then and unemployment higher now than it was then yet be Bush's fault?



I never said President Bush created a 1.3 Trillion dollar deficit in 4 months. Not sure where those numbers came from. Maybe was his 2009 budget and on top he signed <3 days into the 2009 budget> the 700 billion stimulus

You aren't saying it but Obama did, how did Obama inherit a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit for a fiscal year that ended in September 2009, 8 months AFTER he took office. Point being he added to the Bush budgets and thus is responsible for that deficit just like Bush therefore he cannot inherit what he helped create.
 
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Obama is a gigantic glittering failure of monstrous proportions.
 
Obama is a gigantic glittering failure of monstrous proportions.

Obama supporters aren't going to admit what more and more people are seeing. All I ever asked an Obama supporter to do was research the rhetoric and verify it with actual facts. When you do that you will see that Obama rhetoric has been nothing but one big lie after another. Too many confuse personal popularity with actual results. The facts are there for all to see but some simply cannot admit they were wrong. Obama got 52% of the vote in 2008, today his popularity is around 42% so he lost 10% of those that supported him and the question is why? The answer, results matter more than rhetoric.
 
Obama supporters aren't going to admit what more and more people are seeing. All I ever asked an Obama supporter to do was research the rhetoric and verify it with actual facts. When you do that you will see that Obama rhetoric has been nothing but one big lie after another. Too many confuse personal popularity with actual results. The facts are there for all to see but some simply cannot admit they were wrong. Obama got 52% of the vote in 2008, today his popularity is around 42% so he lost 10% of those that supported him and the question is why? The answer, results matter more than rhetoric.

Results are not important to the liberal moonbats. All you need are "good intentions". Obama means well. It's impossible for a liberal to fail. All they need are good intentions. The dipstick got a Nobel Peace Prize by a group of elitist liberals just for being elected President. Good intentions.
 
When you can actually address the argument I present, let me know. Else, it remains sound.
If you belive that GWB was a terrible president because of XYZ, you -must- conclude that The Obama is a worse president because of >XYZ.
No other conclusion is possible.

Do you think President Bush was a good president.
 
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