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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You mean with his bail out of the airline industry?
    No Bush encouraged people to go on with their lives. He let the markets fixit. He did not pour money out in a stimulus.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    At least Bush will not point fingers at others and blame others the way Obama does
    Oh please.....Bush's mantra was responsibility for nothing....accountability to no one.
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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No Bush encouraged people to go on with their lives. He let the markets fixit. He did not pour money out in a stimulus.

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    Is that right? Bush let the free market handle everything?

    A NATION CHALLENGED - THE AIRLINES - A NATION CHALLENGED - THE AIRLINES - Bailout for Airlines Showed the Weight Of a Mighty Lobby - NYTimes.com

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    Just one day after terrorists hijacked and crashed four commercial jets, lobbyists for the airline industry were already at work, laying the groundwork for a multibillion-dollar plan to rescue the industry.

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    This time, a mere 24 hours after the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, with the nation still shocked and grieving, the airlines moved quickly on the ground, if not in the air. By the evening of Sept. 12, the carriers had joined in a unified effort to persuade Congress they needed federal aid.

    The airlines had plenty of resources to draw on: 27 in-house lobbyists, augmented by lobbyists from 42 Washington firms. The lineup included former White House aides and transportation secretaries, retired members of the House and Senate, and a former Republican National Committee chairman, Haley Barbour. The airlines also had at their disposal a Continental Airlines lobbyist, Rebecca Cox, who is a former Reagan administration official and the wife of Representative Christopher Cox, a California Republican.

    And in the front lines were the airlines' own chief executives, well known in the halls of Congress, and corporate board members -- many of whom were Bush campaign contributors. Among them were Donald J. Carty, the chief executive of AMR, the parent of American Airlines, and Gordon Bethune, chief executive of Continental, both of whom are based in Texas and have known Mr. Bush well for years, and Leo F. Mullin, chief executive of Delta Air Lines.

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    Not everyone approved of the industry's aggressive tactics in seeking more money than it lost in the three-day shutdown while excluding its own employees from the bailout.

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    As a result, on the night of Sept. 14, at a time when House members had been told to go home for the day, a two-page bill that would have authorized Congress to give the industry $12.5 billion almost passed by unanimous consent in a nearly empty House chamber around midnight.

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    Many of these board members were also big campaign contributors. American's board members alone gave $148,200 to Republicans in the last presidential election, while the boards of four airlines -- Delta, United Airlines, Continental and American -- gave a total of $712,569 in soft-money donations to both parties. And, American gave another $100,000 to the Bush inauguration.

    A United board member, Richard McCormick, gave Republicans $98,000, A Continental board member, Richard W. Pogue, gave Republicans $40,000 and David Bonderman, also on the Continental board, gave $110,000 to the Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington research group.

    The airlines also benefited from the push for the bailout bill provided by airline executives, like Mr. Carty of American and Mr. Mullin of Delta, who routinely work the halls of Congress themselves and made personal visits throughout Washington. One reason they were well received: since 1998, the industry over all has given $7.4 million to Republican candidates and committees, and $4.6 million to Democrats.

    In what some lobbyists called a master stroke, the airline industry was able to double the amount of direct aid it had initially sought by agreeing to forgo loan guarantees, which they ultimately got anyhow.

    Meanwhile, even in a Democratic-controlled Senate, the pleas of organized labor to protect airline employees were pretty much ignored. ''We are upset that the crisis with the airline workers was not addressed along with the crisis with the airlines,'' said William Samuel, a lobbyist for the A.F.L.-C.I.O.
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    Under the plan, insurance payouts would be capped at $12 billion in 2002, $23 billion in 2003 and $36 billion in 2004. The government would pick up the rest of the costs above those thresholds up to $100 billion. After three years, the Federal proposal calls for the government to leave the insurance business.

    The government has already aided the industry indirectly by prohibiting families of attack victims from seeking punitive damages from the airlines and limiting damages to $100 million per airline. In addition, reinsurers say that they have sufficient resources to pay the claims resulting from the September 11 disaster.
    Are you sure Bush let the free market handle everything?

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

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    CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs



    Looks like a few people out there would like a do-over on Obama.
    They both fail my opinion of what a 'good president' encomapases.
    So does Bill Clinton and many others.

    One irk - other than they created more financial problems for our country than they solved - is that they took credit for the good things that happened even if they had nothing to do with it (ahem - Clinton with his 'surplus') - and just tried to bury the downside of those things.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh please.....Bush's mantra was responsibility for nothing....accountability to no one.
    Unlike Obama and his filibuster proof congress and closed door meetings.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Is that right? Bush let the free market handle everything?

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    Are you sure Bush let the free market handle everything?
    Compare that to almost a trillion by Obama and Bush seems very minimal.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Compare that to almost a trillion by Obama and Bush seems very minimal.
    Oh, okay.

    So you've gone from "Bush didn't do bail-outs, he let the free market work," to "Bush's bail-out wasn't that bad because it wasn't as much." Nice flip-flop there.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Oh, okay.

    So you've gone from "Bush didn't do bail-outs, he let the free market work," to "Bush's bail-out wasn't that bad because it wasn't as much." Nice flip-flop there.
    Yes Bush did minimal and let the free markets work he did not take over companies and industries like Obama has

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yes Bush did minimal and let the free markets work
    And where did that get us?

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yes Bush did minimal and let the free markets work he did not take over companies and industries like Obama has
    How can Bush both use government funds to bail two industries and let free markets work? By definition, free markets are without outside influence.

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