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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    personally attack you? nah ....just clarifying your posistions for you, and those who follow the thread...actually doing you a favor, you don't have to explain yourself to anyone...reality is, things are improving, just not quick enough for some.
    You need to clarify your own position before trying to clarify someone else's. Suggest you start with facts instead of personal opinions and feelings. Reality is Obama rhetoric is trumped by the actual facts and there is a reason his poll numbers are dropping. the cost of what he has done has to be paid for and he has done nothing to promote the private sector. It cost hundreds of billions of dollars to create higher unemployment each month of 2010 vs. 2009 but to the true believer that is making things better. We have an unsustainable debt that you ignore just like you ignore the actual results generated.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The point is that you were being disingenuous when you posted the figures from the bls and the WSJ report is correct. And the Bush tax cuts are not the panacea you think they are, which are still in effect btw.

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

    The following seasonally adjusted numbers match yours.

    http://institute.ourfuture.org/files..._2001-2008.pdf
    The point you ignore is that the calculation of unemployment this year was the same as last year, seasonally adjusted and that unemployment is higher than it was last year. You also ignore that Bush is no longer in office although for some reason you cannot get over it as you ignore the 52 straight months of job creation and a GDP that grew over 4.5 trillion dollars. Bush inherited a recession and left during a recession so those numbers are included in his results yet today we are just back to 2000 employment numbers which to you is a good thing.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You need to clarify your own position before trying to clarify someone else's. Suggest you start with facts instead of personal opinions and feelings. Reality is Obama rhetoric is trumped by the actual facts and there is a reason his poll numbers are dropping. the cost of what he has done has to be paid for and he has done nothing to promote the private sector. It cost hundreds of billions of dollars to create higher unemployment each month of 2010 vs. 2009 but to the true believer that is making things better. We have an unsustainable debt that you ignore just like you ignore the actual results generated.
    poll numbers at this point for president mean little, witness what dubya did...i seem to remember him supposedly going to lose to Kerry , at least according to the polls. dubya's numbers were in the crapper, yet, he WON! so spare me further 'polls' please.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    poll numbers at this point for president mean little, witness what dubya did...i seem to remember him supposedly going to lose to Kerry , at least according to the polls. dubya's numbers were in the crapper, yet, he WON! so spare me further 'polls' please.
    The difference is people always vote their pocket books and that will be the case this election. Obama's agenda is far left and a disaster as the results show. Focus on the results and stop listening to the rhetoric. By the way wasn't there an Ohio poll commissioned by Democrats that Bush more popular than Obama? Seems that the majority get what you are having a hard time understanding.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The point you ignore is that the calculation of unemployment this year was the same as last year, seasonally adjusted and that unemployment is higher than it was last year. You also ignore that Bush is no longer in office although for some reason you cannot get over it as you ignore the 52 straight months of job creation and a GDP that grew over 4.5 trillion dollars. Bush inherited a recession and left during a recession so those numbers are included in his results yet today we are just back to 2000 employment numbers which to you is a good thing.
    Looks to me like a typical spin of data that ignores the actual numbers that the BLS shows which are as follows:

    Year Dec
    1980 99634
    1981 99645
    1982 99032
    1983 102996
    1984 106223
    1985 108216
    1986 110728
    1987 113793
    1988 116104
    1989 117830
    1990 118241
    1991 117466
    1992 118997
    1993 121464
    1994 124721
    1995 125088
    1996 127860
    1997 130679
    1998 132602
    1999 134523
    2000 137614
    2001 136047
    2002 136426
    2003 138411
    2004 140125
    2005 142752
    2006 145914
    2007 146173
    2008 143188
    2009 137792
    2010


    Looks to me like there were 119 million people working in December 1992 and 137.6 million working in December 2000 and shouldn't that be the number used to show employment? 17.4 million more people working at the end of the Clinton term vs. when he started. Compare that to Obama where there are 4 million less working today than when he started. Hardly stellar performance but doesn't escape the liberal spin. Notice Bush job creation from December 2000 until the recession started in December 2007. Interesting how those numbers escape you.

    Now you can keep playing those liberal games of diversion from the disaster that is in the WH now but it won't do any good. People vote their pocket books and this upcoming an election will be a referendum on the leftwing Obama agenda, not GW Bush

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Looks to me like a typical spin of data that ignores the actual numbers that the BLS shows which are as follows:

    Year Dec
    1980 99634
    1981 99645
    1982 99032
    1983 102996
    1984 106223
    1985 108216
    1986 110728
    1987 113793
    1988 116104
    1989 117830
    1990 118241
    1991 117466
    1992 118997
    1993 121464
    1994 124721
    1995 125088
    1996 127860
    1997 130679
    1998 132602
    1999 134523
    2000 137614
    2001 136047
    2002 136426
    2003 138411
    2004 140125
    2005 142752
    2006 145914
    2007 146173
    2008 143188
    2009 137792
    2010


    Looks to me like there were 119 million people working in December 1992 and 137.6 million working in December 2000 and shouldn't that be the number used to show employment? 17.4 million more people working at the end of the Clinton term vs. when he started. Compare that to Obama where there are 4 million less working today than when he started. Hardly stellar performance but doesn't escape the liberal spin. Notice Bush job creation from December 2000 until the recession started in December 2007. Interesting how those numbers escape you.

    Now you can keep playing those liberal games of diversion from the disaster that is in the WH now but it won't do any good. People vote their pocket books and this upcoming an election will be a referendum on the leftwing Obama agenda, not GW Bush
    It looks to me those numbers are seasonally adjusted as well.

    Bureau of Labor Statistics - Data from the Payroll and Household Surveys


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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It looks to me those numbers are seasonally adjusted as well.

    Bureau of Labor Statistics - Data from the Payroll and Household Surveys
    Does it matter, they are apples and apples unless seasonally adjusted numbers only occurred at specific times? Fact is you continue to ignore the record of this President and want to divert to the past. The past doesn't matter as there are 16 million(actually more) today and over 4 million more than when Obama took office. You want to divert from that record and I don't blame you.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There are of course two better questions:

    1. Under which president did the Savings & Loans need to be bailed out? And-
    2. Under which president did the commercial banks need to be bailed out?
    Thsi isnt a better question, this is a red herring.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you seem to ignore the rest of that poll, which shows kasich's support flattening out, and strickland's on the rise....also, the contest is rated a tossup, not the sure thing you are making it out to be...kasich's ties to lehman may very well be his undoing, as the last thing ohio needs is someone so closely tied to the meltdown.
    This is because of Strickland getting an A+ rating from and the endorsement of the NRA.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

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    The country turned this govt. over to those that helped create it and did nothing to prevent it, the Democrats.
    HELPED is the key word, considering that “HISTORY” tells us that for first six years of the bush administration, both houses and the Presidency were in republican hands.

    Unlike the party of NO, the dems occasionally crossed party lines when it came to “perceived” national security.

    The "Gipper" understood free enterprise and capitalism and implemented a pro growth economic agenda cutting taxes 25% over three years.
    I have pointed this out to you in other threads (plural is no typo), so there is no need to rehash this fallacy yet again. All anyone has to do is use their friend goggle+ “Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act”.

    Your hero, in 1982 signed The “Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act”, he called it that so he could pretend that it wasn’t a tax increase but at that time it was the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. According to a Treasury Department study TEFRA was a 1% of GDP tax increase. Kinda like he did when he was Governor of Calyfornia, which I also pointed out to you in a previous thread.Again goggle is your friend.

    The "Gipper" believed in the American people and entreprenuerial spirit. The "Gipper" turned the American spirit loose. Obama believes in the Govt. and wealth redistribution. Obama is no "Gipper.
    The "Gipper" was a grade B actor, that should have won an Academy Award for his portrayal of a President for eight years.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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