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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    I think you meant depression. We were certainly in a serious recession. President Bush used the word crisis many times to explain the economic situation during the 2008 campaign. So did Senater McCain. Many times. To ignore that makes me question why your trying do downplay events that are factual and understood by all sides.

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    Righy, my error, depression is what I should have stated. It was Obama that called it heading towards a depression yet interesting enough that recession ended in June 2009. If it was as bad as Obama claimed that wouldn't have happened. I don't ignore the recession as it is backed by actual bea.gov data but what others seem to ignore is what Obama did or didn't do to get us out of it. Why are the numbers in 2010 worse than 2009? Can you name for me any other recession where the economic numbers were worse over a year after the recession ended? That should make you question Obama's policies.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    How about going back to President Bush's campaign platform

    "The Bush economic plan saves over half the surplus to strengthen Social Security and reduce the national debt"
    It was a projected surplus, not an actual one and then we had 9/11. There was no surplus as evidenced by the debt rising each year.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

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    Righy, my error, depression is what I should have stated. It was Obama that called it heading towards a depression yet interesting enough that recession ended in June 2009. If it was as bad as Obama claimed that wouldn't have happened. I don't ignore the recession as it is backed by actual bea.gov data but what others seem to ignore is what Obama did or didn't do to get us out of it. Why are the numbers in 2010 worse than 2009? Can you name for me any other recession where the economic numbers were worse over a year after the recession ended? That should make you question Obama's policies.
    Im not sure I agree with it being worse. Its not great but in 2008 and 2009 we were loosing jobs, businesses and market shares faster than any other time in the last 100 years except during the great depression. Some would say that we are still feeling the effects of the mistakes during President Bush's presidencies. I dont hear the news every night saying we are heading toward depression. In fact we went from a DJ drop of almost 50% to a nice rebound.

    If you dont beleive it was that bad then you dont remember the banks saying "If we dont get some money now we will fail".

    When was the last time so many businesses needed money or they would fail.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

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    It was a projected surplus, not an actual one and then we had 9/11. There was no surplus as evidenced by the debt rising each year.
    So you are saying that President Bush lied about us having a surplus in his campaign.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    ender1;1059059221]Im not sure I agree with it being worse. Its not great but in 2008 and 2009 we were loosing jobs, businesses and market shares faster than any other time in the last 100 years except during the great depression. Some would say that we are still feeling the effects of the mistakes during President Bush's presidencies. I dont hear the news every night saying we are heading toward depression. In fact we went from a DJ drop of almost 50% to a nice rebound.
    There you go again buying the rhetoric. Go to BLS.gov to get the job losses and see when we lost jobs and then explain why unemployment is higher today than it was last year when the recession ended? I don't recall you discussing the 52 straight months of job creation during the Bush Presidency or the fact that the Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 and had to approve everything that Bush did. The Democrats were more concerned about regaining the WH than preventing a recession.

    For those that claim we are still feeling the affects of Bush policy I suggest you apply some logic and common sense to that argument. Recession ends in June 2009 and every month of 2010 unemployment is higher? Think about it as that is impossible and has never happened in any previous recession.

    If you dont beleive it was that bad then you dont remember the banks saying "If we dont get some money now we will fail".

    When was the last time so many businesses needed money or they would fail.
    I know banks that didn't want the money but were forced to take it, Chase and Wells Fargo for example. I wouldn't have bailed the banks out but that is ancient history now. What isn't ancient is the Obama policies which have done nothing to promote the private sector. That hasn't stopped him from blaming Bush and some continuing to buy it. We shall see on November 2 how much the public still blames Bush.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There you go again buying the rhetoric. Go to BLS.gov to get the job losses and see when we lost jobs and then explain why unemployment is higher today than it was last year when the recession ended? I don't recall you discussing the 52 straight months of job creation during the Bush Presidency or the fact that the Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 and had to approve everything that Bush did. The Democrats were more concerned about regaining the WH than preventing a recession.

    For those that claim we are still feeling the affects of Bush policy I suggest you apply some logic and common sense to that argument. Recession ends in June 2009 and every month of 2010 unemployment is higher? Think about it as that is impossible and has never happened in any previous recession.



    I know banks that didn't want the money but were forced to take it, Chase and Wells Fargo for example. I wouldn't have bailed the banks out but that is ancient history now. What isn't ancient is the Obama policies which have done nothing to promote the private sector. That hasn't stopped him from blaming Bush and some continuing to buy it. We shall see on November 2 how much the public still blames Bush.
    From my experience anyone who uses the work rhetoric as much as you do is caught in its grasp.

    I work closely with the banking sector. If you think its bad now just wait.

    November may bring more Republicans to office. To me Republicans and Democrats are the same thing. If we truely want to change how things are working we will need to find a different group of people to lead this country.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    From my experience anyone who uses the work rhetoric as much as you do is caught in its grasp.

    I work closely with the banking sector. If you think its bad now just wait.

    November may bring more Republicans to office. To me Republicans and Democrats are the same thing. If we truely want to change how things are working we will need to find a different group of people to lead this country.
    We have a number of good people running for office fortunately most come with the Tea Party label. The real answer today is term limits. Didn't use to think that way but do now. I have a lot of good friends in the banking business that know first hand what was going on in 2008 and neither Chase or Wells Fargo wanted the money and both have paid it back.

    The fact is, Obama has done irreputable harm to this economy in just two years. The next two he will remain in campaign mode blaming the Republicans who will be in charge. He doesn't know what he is doing, hired a lot of liberal elites with no real life business experience as I pointed out and they are implementing policy that is a disaster. If the Democrats maintain control they will be empowered to do more of what they have done, high unemployment and high deficits. This country and our economy cannot support this agenda.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    So you refuse to say if you think President Bush was a good president or not in a forum discussion about weather he is or not. Thats odd.
    Far less odd that you continually refusing to address my premise and show how it is unsound.
    Instead, you offer a red herring, in order to distract the conversation away from that premise.
    You continue to avoid the point. I'll take that as a concession of same.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Far less odd that you continually refusing to address my premise and show how it is unsound.
    Instead, you offer a red herring, in order to distract the conversation away from that premise.
    You continue to avoid the point. I'll take that as a concession of same.
    Man, you are like a dog on a bone.

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    Re: CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We have a number of good people running for office fortunately most come with the Tea Party label. The real answer today is term limits. Didn't use to think that way but do now. I have a lot of good friends in the banking business that know first hand what was going on in 2008 and neither Chase or Wells Fargo wanted the money and both have paid it back.

    The fact is, Obama has done irreputable harm to this economy in just two years. The next two he will remain in campaign mode blaming the Republicans who will be in charge. He doesn't know what he is doing, hired a lot of liberal elites with no real life business experience as I pointed out and they are implementing policy that is a disaster. If the Democrats maintain control they will be empowered to do more of what they have done, high unemployment and high deficits. This country and our economy cannot support this agenda.
    What were the irrputable harms that President Obama has done. Im not a fan and did not vote for him. Im just curious.

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