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Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

Conservative said:
Right, the national program will be run by Federal Bureaucrats a lot better than state and local officials! After all they have a great track record of doing just that, LOL
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The difference is more than that in both actual details and the likely results. Again, visits to the emergency rooms have not yet gone up. Keep to facts.
 
Boo Radley said:
The difference is more than that in both actual details and the likely results. Again, visits to the emergency rooms have not yet gone up. Keep to facts.
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Link please? How about providing some facts
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, you answer thw wrong question. The qustion is limited to Mass. Your claim is nation wide and due to national health care reform. Your article here does not support either of your claims.
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The Obamacare law is patterned after MA, everyone in MA has healthcare and there aren't enough doctors to service the people of MA. For some reason you continue to believe that won't be a problem nationally. If you are wrong then what?
 
Conservative said:
The Obamacare law is patterned after MA, everyone in MA has healthcare and there aren't enough doctors to service the people of MA. For some reason you continue to believe that won't be a problem nationally. If you are wrong then what?
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Again, not exactly the same. You have to actually support your claim that the currant national reform has increased er visits nationally. You have not done this.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, not exactly the same. You have to actually support your claim that the currant national reform has increased er visits nationally. You have not done this.
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It is obvious to me that you live for today and don't have a clue how to look to tomorrow. MA is an example of what has happened on a smaller scale in a state and what will happen when you add 30+ million insured people to the healthcare roles. The medical profession simply cannot keep up with the demand and that will lead to the increased demand of hospitals.

Boo, you really have a problem, you simply cannot admit that you just could be wrong

Picture of Health: ER wait times increase - Health care, wellness, food nutrition, exercise, medical research news by reporters Kelly Brewington, Meredith Cohn and Andrea K. Walker - baltimoresun.com

More Medicaid patients going to ER, study finds - USATODAY.com

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/expect-emergency-room-visits-to-soar/
 
Conservative said:
It is obvious to me that you live for today and don't have a clue how to look to tomorrow. MA is an example of what has happened on a smaller scale in a state and what will happen when you add 30+ million insured people to the healthcare roles. The medical profession simply cannot keep up with the demand and that will lead to the increased demand of hospitals.

Boo, you really have a problem, you simply cannot admit that you just could be wrong

Picture of Health: ER wait times increase - Health care, wellness, food nutrition, exercise, medical research news by reporters Kelly Brewington, Meredith Cohn and Andrea K. Walker - baltimoresun.com

More Medicaid patients going to ER, study finds - USATODAY.com

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/expect-emergency-room-visits-to-soar/
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MA is not the US, and something happening before reform is not evidence that reform caaused it. Again, you have not meet your burden. You're making a claim without support. Sorry. :shrug:
 
Boo Radley said:
MA is not the US, and something happening before reform is not evidence that reform caaused it. Again, you have not meet your burden. You're making a claim without support. Sorry. :shrug:
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Name for me one govt. run social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, actually solved a problem, and didn't increase in cost and scope each year? MA is a small example of what is going ot happen with Obamacare. What happens if you are wrong?
 
Conservative said:
Name for me one govt. run social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, actually solved a problem, and didn't increase in cost and scope each year? MA is a small example of what is going ot happen with Obamacare. What happens if you are wrong?
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Name anyone who did some thing they propse cost more than projected, private or public. We're an optomisitc people, underestimating is a national condition. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Name anyone who did some thing they propse cost more than projected, private or public. We're an optomisitc people, underestimating is a national condition. ;)
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Does it matter what a private company projects? Companies don't make profits if they are wrong and thus they go out of business if they lose enough. No such thing with the Federal Govt. as they just print more money or borrow more. Is that how you operate in real life?
 
Conservative said:
Does it matter what a private company projects? Companies don't make profits if they are wrong and thus they go out of business if they lose enough. No such thing with the Federal Govt. as they just print more money or borrow more. Is that how you operate in real life?
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Sure a company can make a profit and do make a profit even when they're wrong. They pass the cost on to the consumer.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sure a company can make a profit and do make a profit even when they're wrong. They pass the cost on to the consumer.
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Yep, and that dumb consumer that buys from them is partially to blame. You don't seem to understand personal responsibility.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, and that dumb consumer that buys from them is partially to blame. You don't seem to understand personal responsibility.
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Another wild leap? Understand personal responsibility just fine. Try supportiing your claim if you can. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Another wild leap? Understand personal responsibility just fine. Try supportiing your claim if you can. :coffeepap
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What claim, that people have a choice who to buy from and if they support businesses that screw the consumer they aren't responsible for it? Try doing that with a govt. that screws the people? By the way did you get the election results in Iowa? 682 State legislative offices switch to the Republicans and your state recalled Three Supreme Court Justices. Looks like the people woke up, when will you?
 
Conservative said:
What claim, that people have a choice who to buy from and if they support businesses that screw the consumer they aren't responsible for it? Try doing that with a govt. that screws the people? By the way did you get the election results in Iowa? 682 State legislative offices switch to the Republicans and your state recalled Three Supreme Court Justices. Looks like the people woke up, when will you?
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Your claim that the current reform has increased er visits nation wide. I've waited a long time now. :shrug:
 
Boo Radley said:
Your claim that the current reform has increased er visits nation wide. I've waited a long time now. :shrug:
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Current reform hasn't gone into effect yet, MA is an example of what is going to happen. You cannot add 30+ million new people to the insurance roles and not increase an already overburdened ER system. If you bothered to read the articles I posted you would see that the increase in ER service is mostly due to insured people not being able to get into a doctor's office. Somehow that problem is going to magically disappear when you add another 30+ million?

I asked you a question many times that you simply ignored, what happens if you are wrong? MA says you are wrong as do many other hospitals around the country who are seeing increases in ER usage because of the inability to get into a doctor's office.
 
Conservative said:
I asked you a question many times that you simply ignored, what happens if you are wrong? MA says you are wrong as do many other hospitals around the country who are seeing increases in ER usage because of the inability to get into a doctor's office.
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I've answered this many times (you've ignored the answer). We adjust. We seek why and adjust. It is that simple. This si not a finished product. It will look different in years to come. A public option would have been better. And a single payer even better. But, we have to work with what was possible.
 
Boo Radley said:
Exactly, which makes your claim all the sillier.
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Yet you supported implementing a program that will add millions to a system that has the ER rooms overburdened now without any concern about the consequences. That is what liberals do, never consider consequences. What happens if you are wrong? There aren't enough doctors now to service the needs of the public thus driving people to the ER's. What does adding millions more to the insurance roles do?
 
Boo Radley said:
I've answered this many times (you've ignored the answer). We adjust. We seek why and adjust. It is that simple. This si not a finished product. It will look different in years to come. A public option would have been better. And a single payer even better. But, we have to work with what was possible.
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LOL, easy to spend someone else's money, isn't it. this is a multi billion dollar program that does nothing to improve quality, quantity, or access so why implement it?
 
Conservative said:
LOL, easy to spend someone else's money, isn't it. this is a multi billion dollar program that does nothing to improve quality, quantity, or access so why implement it?
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Now your leaping away again. Stay with me. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Seems they're fed up with republicans as well, but other than anger, there's not much coherent in the tea party. Again, if we're divided rather equally, with most actually wanting health to either stay the same or do more, what exactly is the mandate?
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To get rid of Obama care and just reform healthcare without a huge government take over.
 
Boo Radley said:
Now your leaping away again. Stay with me. ;)
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Boo, do you really think it was better to pass a bill that fails to get to a single payor system. Now that we have a law they will not want to revisit this for another generation. If the dems were willing to give up their majority for this issue, shouldn't they have gone all the way and pass a real health care reform bill?
 
So how many jobs has Obama created lately?

:fueltofir
 
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