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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    Why should a bureaucrat in D.C. tell someone in your home town how to adminster healthcare to you?
    As opposed to a insurance company bean counter in another town determining wither they can make more money by kicking out a claim by calling it a “preexisting condition”.



    These programs cost more than they were ever supposed to cost and do less than they were commissioned to do thus the waste, fraud, and abuse, yet it doesn't matter to you or anyone else because you cannot see that there are alternatives other than the Federal Govt.
    What is your alternative? Lets have it.
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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Would you like some cheese with your whine?
    The only one whining are people like you who always seem to claim that it is someone else's money that is required to pay for your personal responsibilites. Most people don't have a problem taking care of those truly in need but don't like forced redistribution of personal income by some federal bureaucrat.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    As opposed to a insurance company bean counter in another town determining wither they can make more money by kicking out a claim by calling it a “preexisting condition”.





    What is your alternative? Lets have it.
    Local and state programs funded based upon the will of the people.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    It is called public highways for a reason and those public highways are funded by the gasoline taxes you pay everytime you fill up. It is quite a stretch to go from individual healthcare to the highway system that is used by all. No one is preventing anyone from paying for their own healthcare.
    so, if we call it a public healthcare system and it is funded by publicly paid taxes, why is that be any different from the public transportation system funded by publicly paid taxes?

    As for national defense that is the requirement of the govt. Guess you missed the $700 hammers. There is waste, fraud, and abuse in the military but national security is mandated by the govt. not healthcare.
    so, are you telling us that the federal government you insists cannot operate programs effectively has an ineffective military? or will you now concede that the federal government does have a history of getting many things right

    I don't condone the waste, fraud, and abuse in the military either but at least I understand why we have a military.
    and there is waste fraud and abuse in the existing public healthcare system (the one Obama failed to expand to all in a failed effort to work with an intrangient republican party). no one is asking you to condone waste fraud and abuse. can't recall ever seeing a poster saying what we need in government is more waste fraud and abuse. but i can see - when one third of our citizens have no access to healthcare - why we need a public healthcare system
    Please show me where healthcare is even mentioned in the Constitution?
    you first. show me in the constitution where there is a specific provision for the public highway system you do not oppose
    your outrage is quite selective
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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The only one whining are people like you who always seem to claim that it is someone else's money that is required to pay for your personal responsibilites. Most people don't have a problem taking care of those truly in need but don't like forced redistribution of personal income by some federal bureaucrat.

    I'll take that as a yes:

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    justabubba;1059111026]so, if we call it a public healthcare system and it is funded by publicly paid taxes, why is that be any different from the public transportation system funded by publicly paid taxes?
    It can be funded by local and state taxes, not Federal one size fits all program. Let the states decide, not a Federal Govt.

    so, are you telling us that the federal government you insists cannot operate programs effectively has an ineffective military? or will you now concede that the federal government does have a history of getting many things right
    The Federal Govt. has never gotten a social issue right because healthcare is personal and there isn't one solution for 310 million people.


    and there is waste fraud and abuse in the existing public healthcare system (the one Obama failed to expand to all in a failed effort to work with an intrangient republican party). no one is asking you to condone waste fraud and abuse. can't recall ever seeing a poster saying what we need in government is more waste fraud and abuse. but i can see - when one third of our citizens have no access to healthcare - why we need a public healthcare system
    Obama had complete control of Congress and couldn't sell his own party and rightly so. You seem to have a problem admitting when you are wrong. What if you are wrong regarding a public option, then what? I have yet to see anyone explain to me why healthcare is a federal taxpayer responsibility since the state and local communities pay for ER services for those uninsured, mostly illegals.

    you first. show me in the constitution where there is a specific provision for the public highway system you do not oppose
    your outrage is quite selective
    but you are again welcome to come back and play again

    The only ones paying for the highways system are those driving cars, don't drive and you aren't paying for it. You really are reaching here.

    Why such passion for paying for someone else's personal responsibility? You work for the govt?

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Local and state programs funded based upon the will of the people.
    Local and state programs funded based upon the will of the people.





    Care to show me an example of where this has worked previously? Also, seeing as your so concerned with the bottom line, show us how it will be more cost effective than Medicare.
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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    Care to show me an example of where this has worked previously? Also, seeing as your so concerned with the bottom line, show us how it will be more cost effective than Medicare.
    Let the citizens of the state decide what they are willing to fund and support.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Let the citizens of the state decide what they are willing to fund and support.


    Typical conservative position.Kick the ole can on down the road.
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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    Typical conservative position.Kick the ole can on down the road.
    Don't you ever get tired of believing you have the answer for everyone else's personal responsibility issues? what is it about liberals who believe they have the answers, ignore the will of the people, and then show arrogance when a liberal program fails believing that this group of liberals can do it better? I am becoming convinced that liberals are insane, keep trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

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