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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is it? So, how do you get preexisting conditions covered (something poll say people want), cover more children (again a popular part of the bill), and have not only more but most people covered (again, something the people have said they wanted)? Exactly what will those elected do to get these things but not have a public option or a mandate?
    Let's see, how does anyone that supports Obamacare justify 111 waivers granted to contituent groups such as SEIU, etc. What do these organizations and entitities know that Boo and others don't?

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    Let's see, how does anyone that supports Obamacare justify 111 waivers granted to contituent groups such as SEIU, etc. What do these organizations and entitities know that Boo and others don't?
    nothing. i've decided that they are willing to crash the system, hoping that single-payer will be the result.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is it? So, how do you get preexisting conditions covered (something poll say people want), cover more children (again a popular part of the bill), and have not only more but most people covered (again, something the people have said they wanted)? Exactly what will those elected do to get these things but not have a public option or a mandate?
    You pass bill with specifics not a government take over. Healthcare can be goverened with a few laws

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I really believe that some move in the right direction is better than no move. Yes. And I suspect it will be revisited sooner. In the mean time, I would hope that we would become more immune to the socialism nonsense and more open to a single payer system. I do believe it would be a better option.
    I think that the flaws are so fundemental to a good health care system that this bill actually makes things worse rather than better. Congress/ administration was unwilling to tackle the really hard stuff. A system that is employer based makes for much of the uninsured, rather an some universal system. Then to control cost there really has to be some type of rationing. Obama actually ackowledged this early in the debate when he talked about taking the blue pill versus the pink one. Code for generic versus branded (more expensive drugs). That is how the debate turned falsely to death panels. On something that impacts 15% of our economy we need an adult debate on the real issues, including what the country can afford to provide. Acknowledge that in a capitalist society the rich have the ability to purchase things the poor can't etc.

    It is sad the way this debate and legislation turned out.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think that the flaws are so fundemental to a good health care system that this bill actually makes things worse rather than better. Congress/ administration was unwilling to tackle the really hard stuff. A system that is employer based makes for much of the uninsured, rather an some universal system. Then to control cost there really has to be some type of rationing. Obama actually ackowledged this early in the debate when he talked about taking the blue pill versus the pink one. Code for generic versus branded (more expensive drugs). That is how the debate turned falsely to death panels. On something that impacts 15% of our economy we need an adult debate on the real issues, including what the country can afford to provide. Acknowledge that in a capitalist society the rich have the ability to purchase things the poor can't etc.

    It is sad the way this debate and legislation turned out.
    While I personally prefer a universal payer system, we simply can't have that passed yet. When even a public option get's demonized as socialism, there is no chance of discussing a universal payer. The objection is just too pervasive, and the socialism scare tactic still holds too much sway. And I agree this was a sad way to debate this topic, and warned of it long before it happened. Too many know that the dishonest works. So, we can't seem to have an adult conversation. Sadly.

    Still, I believe one step is better than none.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You pass bill with specifics not a government take over. Healthcare can be goverened with a few laws
    There was no government take over. Read my statements above.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I personally prefer a universal payer system, we simply can't have that passed yet. When even a public option get's demonized as socialism, there is no chance of discussing a universal payer. The objection is just too pervasive, and the socialism scare tactic still holds too much sway. And I agree this was a sad way to debate this topic, and warned of it long before it happened. Too many know that the dishonest works. So, we can't seem to have an adult conversation. Sadly.

    Still, I believe one step is better than none.
    Why exactly do you prefer a single payer system? Happy with the Medicare system which is single payer? Certainly no fraud there, right? Still waiting for your explanation as to why 111 entities were granted waivers from the Obama Administration regarding obamacare with most being Democrat contituent groups?

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I personally prefer a universal payer system, we simply can't have that passed yet. When even a public option get's demonized as socialism, there is no chance of discussing a universal payer. The objection is just too pervasive, and the socialism scare tactic still holds too much sway. And I agree this was a sad way to debate this topic, and warned of it long before it happened. Too many know that the dishonest works. So, we can't seem to have an adult conversation. Sadly.

    Still, I believe one step is better than none.
    Maybe during Obamas second term we can get Medicare for all passed. Of course we will have to get rid of the tea bag seat warmers first.
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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    Maybe during Obamas second term we can get Medicare for all passed. Of course we will have to get rid of the tea bag seat warmers first.
    this is where Obama blew it
    he had both house of congress under his control, while teddy was still living
    he should have pushed thru an expansion of medicare for all
    he wasted his mandate, confusing the public and substantially watering down the bill in an attempt to reach a consensus with the party of 'no'
    as we see, the republicans had no intent to work with him and ran out the shot clock until he lost control of the senate ... and now the house
    he's a great statesman. less so a politician
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is where Obama blew it
    he had both house of congress under his control, while teddy was still living
    he should have pushed thru an expansion of medicare for all
    he wasted his mandate, confusing the public and substantially watering down the bill in an attempt to reach a consensus with the party of 'no'
    as we see, the republicans had no intent to work with him and ran out the shot clock until he lost control of the senate ... and now the house
    he's a great statesman. less so a politician
    Kinda looks like Carvel was right when he said Hillary should have lent Obama one of her balls eh?
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