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winston53660 said:
Well none of the above certainly won't cure partisan blinders
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So I have partisan blinders when I point out there is no comparison between medical research and individual healthcare insurance? How did we survive polio without Obamacare?
 
Conservative said:
So I have partisan blinders when I point out there is no comparison between medical research and individual healthcare insurance? How did we survive polio without Obamacare?
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Hhmm…I wonder how polio research got rolling? If I recollect it was started in 1938 as the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which I believe is the forerunner of the March of Dimes. Now who would be the poster boy/man in 1938 for POLIO? :confused:

…Man that’s a real stumper but I will take a wild guess that it would be that known socialist, (according to the winger noise machine) Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Yes fellow doobies, it was funded in 1938 by FDR, who at the age of 39 contracted the disease. :2wave:
 
donc said:
Hhmm…I wonder how polio research got rolling? If I recollect it was started in 1938 as the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which I believe is the forerunner of the March of Dimes. Now who would be the poster boy/man in 1938 for POLIO? :confused:

…Man that’s a real stumper but I will take a wild guess that it would be that known socialist, (according to the winger noise machine) Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Yes fellow doobies, it was funded in 1938 by FDR, who at the age of 39 contracted the disease. :2wave:
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How in the world did that ever happen without Obamacare which is the issue, not research and development? You continue to buy the big govt. rhetoric even though history shows that big govt. doesn't solve social problems only gets bigger. There is a role for Govt. it just isn't taking over personal responsibility issues which healthcare insurance is. We don't need Obamacare to solve the healthcare problems in this country.

You continue to buy what this empty suit and his Administration tells you and the question is why? What is it about liberalism that causes people to ignore history and actual results. 700,000 Americans are about to lose their doctors that Obama said wouldn't happen. He continues to lie to you and you buy it. Liberalism is like a cult following.
 
Conservative said:
How in the world did that ever happen without Obamacare which is the issue, not research and development? You continue to buy the big govt. rhetoric even though history shows that big govt. doesn't solve social problems only gets bigger. There is a role for Govt. it just isn't taking over personal responsibility issues which healthcare insurance is. We don't need Obamacare to solve the healthcare problems in this country.

You continue to buy what this empty suit and his Administration tells you and the question is why? What is it about liberalism that causes people to ignore history and actual results. 700,000 Americans are about to lose their doctors that Obama said wouldn't happen. He continues to lie to you and you buy it. Liberalism is like a cult following.
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Kinda looks like your still ducking, dodging, laboriously building a large army of strawmen,in a vain attempt at redirecting the conversation to “Obamacare” instead of answering the question that Winston ask you in post #427. Which you haven’t answered yet. Which was…. “Do you think diseases like polio were are a local problem?” :roll:
 
donc said:
Kinda looks like your still ducking, dodging, laboriously building a large army of strawmen,in a vain attempt at redirecting the conversation to “Obamacare” instead of answering the question that Winston ask you in post #427. Which you haven’t answered yet. Which was…. “Do you think diseases like polio were are a local problem?” :roll:
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No, diseases like Polio are not local problems as they affect everyone. Obamacare has nothing to do with diseases like polio so let's really admit who is building the strawman here. Now you answer the question what does Polio have to do with Obamacare?
 
Conservative said:
No, diseases like Polio are not local problems as they affect everyone. Obamacare has nothing to do with diseases like polio so let's really admit who is building the strawman here. Now you answer the question what does Polio have to do with Obamacare?
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Just what do you think Obamacare is? Obamacare the word has been tossed around.
 
winston53660 said:
Just what do you think Obamacare is? Obamacare the word has been tossed around.
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You have to be kidding, this is a joke, right? You really think Polio or any other epidemic is on the same plane as Obamacare or National Healthcare? That is quite a stretch. How would Obamacare have prevented polio during the initial outbreak and how did we survive without it? I really don't think you have a clue as to what you are talking about trying to compare the two.
 
Conservative said:
You have to be kidding, this is a joke, right? You really think Polio or any other epidemic is on the same plane as Obamacare or National Healthcare? That is quite a stretch. How would Obamacare have prevented polio during the initial outbreak and how did we survive without it? I really don't think you have a clue as to what you are talking about trying to compare the two.
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And I think you are on a rampage. Polio was of national concern and the nation stepped into what was a national concern in regards to healthcare for every man woman and child.
 
winston53660 said:
And I think you are on a rampage. Polio was of national concern and the nation stepped into what was a national concern in regards to healthcare for every man woman and child.
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Polio was a disease and a national epidemic, healthcare is a personal responsibility and personal choice issue so hardly a crisis. You apparently don't know the difference. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric which hasn't been accurate on any issue.
 
Conservative said:
Polio was a disease and a national epidemic, healthcare is a personal responsibility and personal choice issue so hardly a crisis. You apparently don't know the difference. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric which hasn't been accurate on any issue.
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Okay fine Mr. penny wise pound foolish.
 
winston53660 said:
Okay fine Mr. penny wise pound foolish.
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Growing up, did anyone ever teach you personal responsibility? Do you expect me to pay for your insurance? I don't expect you to pay for mine. Obamacare is a job killer and an attempt to create greater govt. control by eventually getting to the single payer system. 700,000 people are about to lose their Medicare due to companies dropping the service thanks to Obamacare yet for some reason the Obama supporters don't have a problem with that. I give too many the benefit of doubt that they believe in free enterprise and capitalism when the reality is most are closet socialists looking for greater govt. control of their lives. If I were you I would move to a state more in line with the way you think because that certainly isn't TX.
 
Conservative said:
Growing up, did anyone ever teach you personal responsibility? Do you expect me to pay for your insurance?
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Hello genius what do you think insurance is? You pay into pool if you happen to get sick the pool pays.
 
winston53660 said:
Hello genius what do you think insurance is? You pay into pool if you happen to get sick the pool pays.
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I choose not to be in your insurance pool, I choose where to spend my money on insurance, it isn't the government's role to require someone to buy insurance. If someone chooses not to purchase insurance and something happens, that is the consequences of a poor personal choice. You apparently don't understand that concept.
 
Conservative said:
I choose not to be in your insurance pool, I choose where to spend my money on insurance, it isn't the government's role to require someone to buy insurance. If someone chooses not to purchase insurance and something happens, that is the consequences of a poor personal choice. You apparently don't understand that concept.
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You apparently don't know what insurance is.
 
winston53660 said:
You apparently don't know what insurance is.
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You are right, I only have had insurance for over 40 years, employed thousands, offered insurance to all, dealt with insurance companies, negotiated group rates but apparently I don't know anything about insurance.

Now what does any of this have to do with the thread topic? Obamacare is a job killer as evidenced by the business reaction but apparently you want to make this about you. California needs a few more just like you so consider the move.
 
Conservative said:
You are right, I only have had insurance for over 40 years, employed thousands, offered insurance to all, dealt with insurance companies, negotiated group rates but apparently I don't know anything about insurance.

Now what does any of this have to do with the thread topic? Obamacare is a job killer as evidenced by the business reaction but apparently you want to make this about you. California needs a few more just like you so consider the move.
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I'm glad you are such a wonderment in your own world.

/plonk
 
winston53660 said:
I'm glad you are such a wonderment in your own world.

/plonk
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Looks like I live in the real world, the American people spoke on November 2 and didn't like Obamacare and the fact that the Obama economy has lost 4 million jobs since he took office. Welcome to the real world where the Obama Administration cannot tell the truth on any issue.
 
Conservative said:
No, diseases like Polio are not local problems as they affect everyone. Obamacare has nothing to do with diseases like polio so let's really admit who is building the strawman here. Now you answer the question what does Polio have to do with Obamacare?
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Why do you insist on wanting to talk about Obamacare with someone that stated in post #423 that he thought Obamacare was a “2000 thousand plus page monstrosity “?

The only difference I can see between you and I on healthcare, is that your OK with what we have now and i,m not.

You’re OK with a system that has a annual rate increase a almost ten % per year. Eating 16% of GDP today, which will be 31% in 25 years.

You’re OK with having 50% of our population either uninsured, or underinsured, despite the fact that we spend more on healthcare than any other nation in the world.

You’re OK with a life expectancy that lags the rest of the industrialized world, including that commie nation 90 miles south of Miami.

You’re OK having almost 50 thousand of your fellow countrymen/woman dying every year due to lack of adequate healthcare.

So tell me conservative, with all of the above, how can our cash starved states cure the problem of healthcare?
 
donc said:
Why do you insist on wanting to talk about Obamacare with someone that stated in post #423 that he thought Obamacare was a “2000 thousand plus page monstrosity “?

The only difference I can see between you and I on healthcare, is that your OK with what we have now and i,m not.

You’re OK with a system that has a annual rate increase a almost ten % per year. Eating 16% of GDP today, which will be 31% in 25 years.

You’re OK with having 50% of our population either uninsured, or underinsured, despite the fact that we spend more on healthcare than any other nation in the world.

You’re OK with a life expectancy that lags the rest of the industrialized world, including that commie nation 90 miles south of Miami.

You’re OK having almost 50 thousand of your fellow countrymen/woman dying every year due to lack of adequate healthcare.

So tell me conservative, with all of the above, how can our cash starved states cure the problem of healthcare?
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Unlike you, I seem to understand personal responsibility and understand that cash starved states have to make tough choices. I further understand that unfunded mandates come from the Federal Govt. with strings attached and that isn't good for the state taxpayers. You, on the other hand, don't seem to understand personal responsibilities, unfunded mandates, and the role of the Federal and state governments.

I also understand that life expectancy in this country has nothing to do with who has or doesn't have health care, it is about choices one makes on what they eat, what they drink, how they exercise or if they don't exercise at all. We live in a country where people have more choices than anyplace else in the world. Some choose wisely whereas others don't. It isn't the government's responsibility to regulate personal choice.

You come up with some wild numbers but ignore the main issue, is health insurance a personal or govt. responsibility. None of what you claim can be proven but that doesn't mean you will change.
 
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Unlike you, I seem to understand personal responsibility and understand that cash starved states have to make tough choices. I further understand that unfunded mandates come from the Federal Govt. with strings attached and that isn't good for the state taxpayers. You, on the other hand, don't seem to understand personal responsibilities, unfunded mandates, and the role of the Federal and state governments.
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I understand unfunded mandates pretty well,such has unfounded tax cuts. You must have forgotten where I showed you what damage unfunded mandates did to the national debt, between the years of 2001-2008. It was here.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nds-record-gap-between-rich-and-poor-121.html

in post #1207.unlike you, I provide links.:2wave:

I also understand that life expectancy in this country has nothing to do with who has or doesn't have health care, it is about choices one makes on what they eat, what they drink, how they exercise or if they don't exercise at all.
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"Life expectancy has nothing to do with health care?" GOOD GRIEF MAN, what planet are you from?:doh Oh, I forgot you live in Texas, with its 4,675 deaths due to lack of health insurance per year. Second only to Calyfornia with its 5,302 deaths due to lack of health insurance.



You come up with some wild numbers but ignore the main issue, is health insurance a personal or govt. responsibility.
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No, the main health issue facing this nation is not health insurance, its HEALTHCARE. Healthcare if not addressed and the cost keeps going as it has in the past, will bankrupt this country. How long do you think that we can have healthcare going up at the rate of almost ten percent a year?

None of what you claim can be proven but that doesn't mean you will change.
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Says the guy that thinks that “life expectancy in this country has nothing to do with who has or doesn't have health care “. :roll:
 
donc said:
I understand unfunded mandates pretty well,such has unfounded tax cuts. You must have forgotten where I showed you what damage unfunded mandates did to the national debt, between the years of 2001-2008. It was here.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nds-record-gap-between-rich-and-poor-121.html

in post #1207.unlike you, I provide links.:2wave:




"Life expectancy has nothing to do with health care?" GOOD GRIEF MAN, what planet are you from?:doh Oh, I forgot you live in Texas, with its 4,675 deaths due to lack of health insurance per year. Second only to Calyfornia with its 5,302 deaths due to lack of health insurance.





No, the main health issue facing this nation is not health insurance, its HEALTHCARE. Healthcare if not addressed and the cost keeps going as it has in the past, will bankrupt this country. How long do you think that we can have healthcare going up at the rate of almost ten percent a year?




Says the guy that thinks that “life expectancy in this country has nothing to do with who has or doesn't have health care “. :roll:
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You live in the wrong country, we have freedoms in this country that allow you to pick up and leave any time you want. No health insurance in the world is going to stop people from eating, drinking, smoking too much or not exercising. No person in this country is denied treatment and no person in this country is forced to go to the doctor even with insurance.

You really are very naive but a typical liberal who overreacts to every issue. It isn't the taxpayers responsibility to provide you health insurance and there is no guarantee that you will use it or even get into seeing a doctor when you need to. MA has health insurance for all citizens and ER's are overcrowded as there aren't enough doctors working the hours needed to service the demand. That is exactly what is going to happen when you add another 40 million to the healthcare roles.

Like all liberals you simply cannot accept the fact that you may be wrong. For me it isn't a matter of you possibly being wrong but the fact is that you ARE wrong.
 
Conservative said:
You live in the wrong country, we have freedoms in this country that allow you to pick up and leave any time you want. No health insurance in the world is going to stop people from eating, drinking, smoking too much or not exercising. No person in this country is denied treatment and no person in this country is forced to go to the doctor even with insurance.

You really are very naive but a typical liberal who overreacts to every issue. It isn't the taxpayers responsibility to provide you health insurance and there is no guarantee that you will use it or even get into seeing a doctor when you need to. MA has health insurance for all citizens and ER's are overcrowded as there aren't enough doctors working the hours needed to service the demand. That is exactly what is going to happen when you add another 40 million to the healthcare roles.

Like all liberals you simply cannot accept the fact that you may be wrong. For me it isn't a matter of you possibly being wrong but the fact is that you ARE wrong.
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How do you reconcile the two bolded areas

If no one is denied medical treatment, how on earth would 40 million people be added to the health care roles. If they were receiving treatment they would be on healthcare roles would they not
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
How do you reconcile the two bolded areas

If no one is denied medical treatment, how on earth would 40 million people be added to the health care roles. If they were receiving treatment they would be on healthcare roles would they not
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People get medical treatment now, either at healthcare clinics or the ER and that is being done without Obamacare. As I pointed out and everyone here that supports Obamacare ignores, MA has universal healthcare. I have posted the results but since you and others don't want to recognize those results, do your own research and find out what is on the horizon for Obamacare.
 
Conservative said:
People get medical treatment now, either at healthcare clinics or the ER and that is being done without Obamacare. As I pointed out and everyone here that supports Obamacare ignores, MA has universal healthcare. I have posted the results but since you and others don't want to recognize those results, do your own research and find out what is on the horizon for Obamacare.
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where do those people get their preventive treatment?
 
justabubba said:
where do those people get their preventive treatment?
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Where do you get yours? Providing healthcare insurance for individuals isn't the role of the govt. as that is a personal responsibility. This is a job killer for the 80% of the small businesses in this country that create the jobs. You keep buying what the empty suit in the WH tells you and the question is why?
 
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