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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Stay focues. regardless of whose responsibility it was, the money saved those jobs, and when that money was gone, so were some of the jobs. It has nothing to do with buying anything but the facts.
    That is your opinion, it is mine that the Federal Taxpayer had no business saving state education jobs and it is further my opinion that the states would have come up with the money. It is all about whose responsibility is it, Federal or State. Further it is about about the definition of what is a stimulus. If Obama had stated he was going to bail out the states instead of creating a stimulus for shovel ready jobs then you would have a successful argument but that wasn't the purpose of the stimulus. The fact is Obama lied to the American people to get his bailout package packed and sold it on creation of jobs buy funding "shovel ready" infrastructure jobs. Teachers are not shovel ready projects, nor is the bailout of union pensions or other state programs.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. To keep teachers working. Your skewed spin is simply inaccurate.
    I have to jump on this one. Maybe there are people naive enough to really believe the B.S. of "keeping teachers in their jobs". I do not think you are that naive. You understand that money given to states is fungible. So giving money to states allows states to avoid making decisions on where to cut spending. There are a ton of options nefore laying off teachers and I think you understand it.

    At least to people like me who would like to have a real debate on issues, when this junk is thrown around is truth really makes this site less interesting.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's your skewed opinion. Not to be confused with fact. Teachers have a concern to the country outside of unions, for example. if we accept your logic, anything that helps teachers must be because of the union, even if the teachers belong to no union. That's silly on its face.
    Wrong the unions have a strong influence on politics


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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

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    Wrong the unions have a strong influence on politics


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    of course they do, as do business and corporations. but you can't argue that there is only one reason for something. We need teachers beyond union wants and desires.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    of course they do, as do business and corporations. but you can't argue that there is only one reason for something. We need teachers beyond union wants and desires.
    Will not happen as long as teacher unions have democrats in their pockets with the vast money they give to elections

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    of course they do, as do business and corporations. but you can't argue that there is only one reason for something. We need teachers beyond union wants and desires.
    Yes, we need teachers and they are funded by state and local taxes not Federal Taxes. Saving their jobs is a state responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. Obama stimulus plan was not sold on basis that the money was going to be used to "save" teachers' jobs.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, we need teachers and they are funded by state and local taxes not Federal Taxes. Saving their jobs is a state responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. Obama stimulus plan was not sold on basis that the money was going to be used to "save" teachers' jobs.
    He didn't break down whihc jobs, but those jobes, we know, were saved regardless of who you believe is responsbile for them.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Will not happen as long as teacher unions have democrats in their pockets with the vast money they give to elections
    What won't happen? I feel like you were reading something else as your response seems to being addressing something I didn't say.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He didn't break down whihc jobs, but those jobes, we know, were saved regardless of who you believe is responsbile for them.
    What we don't know and never will know is whether or not the states could have saved those jobs without Federal Intervention. There is a bigger issue here, is that what you expected from the Stimulus plan? Is that how it was sold? Is that the role of the Federal Govt. to bailout inefficient state governments?

    I thought the stimulus was supposed to fund "shovel ready" jobs? Seems again you and the public that bought into the Obama rhetoric were duped.

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    Re: Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What we don't know and never will know is whether or not the states could have saved those jobs without Federal Intervention. There is a bigger issue here, is that what you expected from the Stimulus plan? Is that how it was sold? Is that the role of the Federal Govt. to bailout inefficient state governments?

    I thought the stimulus was supposed to fund "shovel ready" jobs? Seems again you and the public that bought into the Obama rhetoric were duped.
    Apparently Boo doesn't have a response, not surprising.

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