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Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

Conservative said:
Still don't get it, apparently math isn't a strong subject for you, Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress and at times had a filibuster proof Senate.
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The Democrats didn't have a filibuster proof Senate, that's a misnomer. It would be filibuster proof if all the Senators agreed, but they don't.
 
pbrauer said:
The Democrats didn't have a filibuster proof Senate, that's a misnomer. It would be filibuster proof if all the Senators agreed, but they don't.
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Oh, foul diversity of thought. Troubling, isn't it?
 
pbrauer said:
The Democrats didn't have a filibuster proof Senate, that's a misnomer. It would be filibuster proof if all the Senators agreed, but they don't.
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What continues to be a problem for you is the FACT that the Obama Agenda couldn't be sold to the Democrats, his own party. That speaks volumes.
 
Boo Radley said:
When you convince the electorate of something, it effects how congress people vote. Dishonest to pretend it doesn't. but this is why I call democrats whimpy. I excuse neither. Aren't you trying to excuse republicans?
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No The GOP did not have enough votes to stop the dems.
 
pbrauer said:
The Democrats didn't have a filibuster proof Senate, that's a misnomer. It would be filibuster proof if all the Senators agreed, but they don't.
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Nice spin. If dems stick together it is filibuster proof. Because they did not shows the policies were to radical and extreme
 
ptif219 said:
You blame the GOP but they could not stop it. Obama was to radical for his own party
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I blame both for both are responsible for. I don't limit it to one, letting the other off the hook. You're excusing the republicans for their scare tactics is partisan, pure and simple.
 
Boo Radley said:
I blame both for both are responsible for. I don't limit it to one, letting the other off the hook. You're excusing the republicans for their scare tactics is partisan, pure and simple.
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No the GOP had no power. Bills passed of failed on how democrats voted.
 
ptif219 said:
No the GOP had no power. Bills passed of failed on how democrats voted.
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No power? That's false. They could speak and mislead, and did so. Again, you're being selective and not completely honest. Both are responsible for their actions and non actions.
 
Boo Radley said:
No power? That's false. They could speak and mislead, and did so. Again, you're being selective and not completely honest. Both are responsible for their actions and non actions.
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What does what the GOP have to do with how democrats vote? You mean the democrats listen more to the GOP than their own leaders?
 
ptif219 said:
What does what the GOP have to do with how democrats vote? You mean the democrats listen more to the GOP than their own leaders?
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Easy and has been explained already. If republicans scare the electorate, democrats ahve to appease those fears. Again, it is disingenuous to ignore the effect of the lying and misleading. I blame the democrats for being cowardly and republicans for trying to scare voters. Both are responsible for what they have done and not done.
 
Boo Radley said:
Easy and has been explained already. If republicans scare the electorate, democrats ahve to appease those fears. Again, it is disingenuous to ignore the effect of the lying and misleading. I blame the democrats for being cowardly and republicans for trying to scare voters. Both are responsible for what they have done and not done.
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LOL, now that is a new one, Republicans, not actual results, scaring the voters? Where do you get this stuff?
 
Boo Radley said:
Easy and has been explained already. If republicans scare the electorate, democrats ahve to appease those fears. Again, it is disingenuous to ignore the effect of the lying and misleading. I blame the democrats for being cowardly and republicans for trying to scare voters. Both are responsible for what they have done and not done.
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It is clear for the last 2 years Obama and democrats have ignored what voters want so try again.
 
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Private employers unexpectedly cut 39,000 jobs in September after an upwardly revised gain of 10,000 in August, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Wednesday. >>

Useless info.

It doesn't take into consideration the 3.5 million jobs the stimulus package will save by the end of the year... According to the CBO.

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Private employers unexpectedly cut 39,000 jobs in September after an upwardly revised gain of 10,000 in August, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Wednesday. >>

Useless info.

It doesn't take into consideration the 3.5 million jobs the stimulus package will save by the end of the year... According to the CBO.

ricksfolly
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Can you show me on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site where those saved jobs are recorded? Why do you continue to buy what you are told by the Congressional Budget Office when the CBO only reports what the Congress gives them? I just don't understand the cult following that liberalism has as you buy what you are told and never seem to question the rhetroic. Many of the jobs "saved" were bailouts of union employees that wouldn't have actually lost their jobs but instead would have lost their union contracts, hardly the same thing.
 
ptif219 said:
It is clear for the last 2 years Obama and democrats have ignored what voters want so try again.
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Not at all clear. I would argue voters are upset because they did listen. Take health care, if 1/3 what less, and 1/3 want more, meaning 2/3 were unhappy, what they got not would reflect that divison and show listening, which is why neither extreme is happy. The same can be done looking at those who want the government to spend more and those who them to not spend at all. Obama has fallen largely between those extremes. So, I don't see anything to suggest that is clear at all.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not at all clear. I would argue voters are upset because they did listen. Take health care, if 1/3 what less, and 1/3 want more, meaning 2/3 were unhappy, what they got not would reflect that divison and show listening, which is why neither extreme is happy. The same can be done looking at those who want the government to spend more and those who them to not spend at all. Obama has fallen largely between those extremes. So, I don't see anything to suggest that is clear at all.
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A week after an election that devastated the dems majority you can say that? You need help.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not at all clear. I would argue voters are upset because they did listen. Take health care, if 1/3 what less, and 1/3 want more, meaning 2/3 were unhappy, what they got not would reflect that divison and show listening, which is why neither extreme is happy. The same can be done looking at those who want the government to spend more and those who them to not spend at all. Obama has fallen largely between those extremes. So, I don't see anything to suggest that is clear at all.
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So, you're saying that people voted the Dems out, because they want the Reps to come in and be more Liberal?

I'm just not reading things that way...:rofl
 
apdst said:
So, you're saying that people voted the Dems out, because they want the Reps to come in and be more Liberal?

I'm just not reading things that way...:rofl
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You look at it through a particualr prism, influenced by your own bias. But, yes, people were merely unhappy. And the exit polling was very uneven. Republican who won are a little smarter, and know damned well they have no such mandate as you suggest. So, they will actually be more tentative than you may like. :coffeepap
 
ptif219 said:
A week after an election that devastated the dems majority you can say that? You need help.
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No, I have a clear head. Thanks though. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
You look at it through a particualr prism, influenced by your own bias. But, yes, people were merely unhappy. And the exit polling was very uneven. Republican who won are a little smarter, and know damned well they have no such mandate as you suggest. So, they will actually be more tentative than you may like. :coffeepap
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So Obama had a mandate when he won but know that does not apply to the GOP. That is ridiculous.

If you look very conservative GOP won not moderates. That shows the voters want Obamacare gone and very conservative policies put in place.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, I have a clear head. Thanks though. :coffeepap
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In your eyes but then a crazy person never thinks they are crazy.
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ptif219 said:
So Obama had a mandate when he won but know that does not apply to the GOP. That is ridiculous.

If you look very conservative GOP won not moderates. That shows the voters want Obamacare gone and very conservative policies put in place.
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First, I never said Obama had a mandate. This country is divided nearly down the middle, so I would claim a mandate by anyone. Second, I find the exit polling important in deciding exactly what people want. I believe some 30 somthing percent wanted the government to spend less, and 30 something wanted the government to spend more, and another 30 something thought it was just right now. The numbers are largely the same on health care. How you do what the people want with those numbers escapes me. Perhaps there is a rational you use to decide?
 
Boo Radley said:
First, I never said Obama had a mandate. This country is divided nearly down the middle, so I would claim a mandate by anyone. Second, I find the exit polling important in deciding exactly what people want. I believe some 30 somthing percent wanted the government to spend less, and 30 something wanted the government to spend more, and another 30 something thought it was just right now. The numbers are largely the same on health care. How you do what the people want with those numbers escapes me. Perhaps there is a rational you use to decide?
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You can have all the opinions you want. The left said when Obama was elected he had a mandate because he had a majority of the vote. Now they say this election does not give the GOP a mandate. Shows the hypocrisy and double standard of your democrats brothers.

As for why this election went to the GOP it was because of Healthcare, the out of control spending and a deficit that is growing faster than anytime in history. Then again most do not like the way it looks we are headed to a socialist police state.

This election was not just on the fed level but the GOP made great gains in state elections also.
 
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