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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Leg. And I'm only referring to him because he's the only cop I know on the board.
    military cop here...we are trained center mass. If the situation warrants firing your weapon, it warrants shooting to kill. otherwise use less lethal methods. Dat's why they give us dose nifty tasers and night sticks
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Nobody should ever shoot to wound, and no, police officers are never trained to "shoot to wound". Shoot until the threat is stopped. Center mass...
    Oh man, I totally disagree with that statement, especially considering it was a kid she was shooting at. If the threat can be minimized or stopped by disabling instead of killing then that is the right action to take in all circumstances. After all, we're not talking about war here, we're talking about an unruly boy.


    A man's torso is 19", his arm is 6" what do you think shooting to "wound" will accomplish other than making you more dead better?
    But we're not talking about an adult male, we're talking about a kid with a brick in his hand.

    Shoot to kill, the mistake this woman made was not aiming center mass.
    Wrong. Deadly force was not neccessary to stop the kid from throwing the brick. Shooting him in the arm was all that was neccessary.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Yes they are; ask Caine. If somebody is trying to get away and you can take them down, you do. You don't use 'deadly force' if you don't have to, and you'd better be prepared to explain why you did so (if and when you do).
    BDBoop, better check with Caine. You've misunderstood him. Coppers fire three -- center mass. And even then they hope and pray they hit SOMETHING.

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    Oh man, I totally disagree with that statement, especially considering it was a kid she was shooting at. If the threat can be minimized or stopped by disabling instead of killing then that is the right action to take in all circumstances. After all, we're not talking about war here, we're talking about an unruly boy. But we're not talking about an adult male, we're talking about a kid with a brick in his hand.

    Wrong. Deadly force was not neccessary to stop the kid from throwing the brick. Shooting him in the arm was all that was neccessary.
    Shooting him in the arm? Are you smoking something?? Really? Do you think shooters, amateurs at that, are accurate? You're dreamin'. The kid threw a brick, hit her in the chest. She ready-aimed-fired and hit the creep. She was lucky she hit anything -- much less that she was actually aiming at his arm. One lucky jerk, if you ask me.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Shooting him in the arm was all that was neccessary.
    Why shoot him in the arm? Why not just shoot the brick out of his hand and send him on his way?

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    BDBoop, better check with Caine. You've misunderstood him. Coppers fire three -- center mass. And even then they hope and pray they hit SOMETHING.
    Caine never said so. I referenced him because I thought I knew whereof I spoke. Apparently I was mistaken, as always.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Shooting him in the arm? Are you smoking something?? Really? Do you think shooters, amateurs at that, are accurate? You're dreamin'. The kid threw a brick, hit her in the chest. She ready-aimed-fired and hit the creep. She was lucky she hit anything -- much less that she was actually aiming at his arm. One lucky jerk, if you ask me.
    Yes, the kid is lucky. But if she had meant to kill him she could have kept shooting and pumped him full of holes until he was dead. But she didn't. And how do you know she didn't know how to use or shoot a gun? The article said nothing about her expertise or experience with a gun, only that she had one and she shot the boy in the arm and if you ask me, that's pretty damn good shooting.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Why shoot him in the arm? Why not just shoot the brick out of his hand and send him on his way?
    I doubt that would have stopped the little brat from picking up another brick. Besides, I didn't say she was Annie Oakley, only that it was a good shot and that wounding him was all that was neccessary. But others here are talking like deadly force is the only way to use a gun, it isn't. Aiming for the extremities can be just as effective.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I doubt that would have stopped the little brat from picking up another brick. Besides, I didn't say she was Annie Oakley, only that it was a good shot and that wounding him was all that was neccessary. But others here are talking like deadly force is the only way to use a gun, it isn't. Aiming for the extremities can be just as effective.
    I seriously doubt that this 68 year old lady was a former military sniper. unless you have lots and lots and lots and lots of training and practice, a handgun is not really that accurate at any distance over about 20 feet. you've watched too many movies and TV shows where guys shoot quarters out of the air.

    with most handguns, you aim center mass and hope you hit the target.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, the kid is lucky. But if she had meant to kill him she could have kept shooting and pumped him full of holes until he was dead. But she didn't. And how do you know she didn't know how to use or shoot a gun? The article said nothing about her expertise or experience with a gun, only that she had one and she shot the boy in the arm and if you ask me, that's pretty damn good shooting.
    I don't know that she wasn't an expert marksman. But I'm willing to make that assumption. She shot in their direction. Hit one in the arm. Don't know how many shots she fired. You know....because? It wasn't "pretty damn good shooting." It was pretty damn lucky. For the boy -- and for her. This story might have had a completely different ending had she accidentally shot him in the head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I doubt that would have stopped the little brat from picking up another brick. Besides, I didn't say she was Annie Oakley, only that it was a good shot and that wounding him was all that was neccessary. But others here are talking like deadly force is the only way to use a gun, it isn't. Aiming for the extremities can be just as effective.
    I can assure you that if I'm in fear of my life, I'm not only not aiming for an extremity, but I'll come close to emptying my gun. If this woman only fired one shot, she did it as a warning. She probably didn't even intend to hit him.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I seriously doubt that this 68 year old lady was a former military sniper. unless you have lots and lots and lots and lots of training and practice, a handgun is not really that accurate at any distance over about 20 feet. you've watched too many movies and TV shows where guys shoot quarters out of the air.

    with most handguns, you aim center mass and hope you hit the target.
    Right on target! (Oops, sorry.)
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Oh man, I totally disagree with that statement, especially considering it was a kid she was shooting at. If the threat can be minimized or stopped by disabling instead of killing then that is the right action to take in all circumstances. After all, we're not talking about war here, we're talking about an unruly boy.
    If someone decides to point a gun at someone and fire it, the only goal they should have is to shoot to kill. Now there is some debate on the value of firing a warning shot, but those should not be pointed at a person.

    But if you are shooting at a person, you shoot with intent to kill every time. If you don't have that intent, the gun should never, ever, be pointed at another person.

    I'm saying that shooting with intent to wound is immoral.

    Shooting with the intent to wound, and accidentally killing is worse than shooting with intent to kill and accidentally wounding.
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