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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You wouldnt understand how much i wish it was hyperbole. Sadly.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    It is amazing how many punk kids living in South Phoenix are, according to their parents, good little alter-boys, once they get caught. I sat on a jury once where a kid broke into an elderlly woman's home at night and apparently had plans to rape her. He was too drunk, tho, and she managed to call the cops. She had a pistol, but "didn't want to shoot one of the neighborhood kids".
    It was his word against hers.

    Kid was not convicted, due to prosecutor not doing her job. She called 2 cops to the stand, and their conflicting testimonies left considerable doubt. There was some doubt as to whether they arrested the right kid. The victim should have shot the kid in the leg or something, leaving NO doubt as to his identification.

    When the kid's mom testified, her boy was as an angel, despite previous arrests for drug use and other miscellaneous misdemeanors.
    watching Phoenix news, there is almost always a standard response when one of the punks gets arrested. "He goes to church every sunday, he is a good boy".
    I feel sorry for kids who have no parental guidance at home, but not sorry enough that I wouldn't shoot one if he broke into my house.
    Cops will tell you, REAL burglars don't break into occupied homes.

    And bratty kids stop throwing bricks after daddy takes a belt to his ass. The parents here should be prosecuted for not controlling their brats...
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Morally speaking, I've worked with violent felons. In this situation, as described, an escalation to potentially lethal use of force is excessive. The woman had a range of possible responses. In her shoes, I'd have gone indoors, closed my door, and called the police. I have zero problems with appropriate use of force. In this case, however, I feel her actions were excessive. Furthermore, it was premeditated shooting. She PLANNED to shoot this kid after longterm harassment. She could similarly have phoned the parents, called the police, requested a restraining order, or asked for mediation or victim's assistance. Or all of the above. She was 68, which is not 80, nor is it elderly.

    Yes, the boy was a bully and probably a delinquent little thug. However, out of a wide range of options, this woman chose to escalate this longstanding feud to a potentially lethal level.

    I'm not a fan of using a hammer when what's needed is a screwdriver.

    I find that when people have to exaggerate by as wide a margin as the proponents of the shooting are doing in this thread, they pretty much know they're not right and are merely being ornery.
    People who are confident in the positions they're defending don't have to lie to support them.
    A little bombast is one thing; turning a 68-year-old into a feeble 80-year-old with glass bones is quite another.
    It's entirely possible the middle-aged woman in question could've taken them in a physical fight, depending upon her size.
    12-year-olds aren't that strong. They're typically prepubertal children. Boys, girls: doesn't even matter as far as size and strength until after puberty.
    They're children.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    To believe that 10, you would have to ignore all the links and facts i presented. None of which has been addressed.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    So did new information come out or are we still doing that thing where we make up the scenario in our own heads and comment on that?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    You can review the thread deuce. I'm sure it will answer your question.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    I understand why the woman reacted the way she did, but there was another way. I'm forced to agree that this wasn't the best choice considering the dangers to others in proximity, and the fact that the kids weren't even on her property. Few people have commented on the fact that the parents are not involved in this story. Why aren't they?

    You deal with community police repeatedly, then you call child services and tell them that there are parents not watching their children as they vandalize the neighbourhood and damage people's homes. When child services knocks on their door and asks wtf is going on, or threatens to take their kids away, the whole family will be in for a reality check. And if that doesn't work, then the kids will get taken away and the problem is solved anyway.

    The problem is that a lot of kids get away with murder these days and the system only enables bad behaviour. How many times can you suspend kids from school before enough is enough? How many times can the cops come and shake their finger at delinquents before they need to be hauled off to juvy? I mean honestly, why is the system a complete failure in this story?

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Please stop pretending like I haven't worked with these kinds of clients.
    I may be wrong, but I don't think that your having done so automatically precludes Rev knowing whereof he speaks.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yes, the proper response to arson of your property
    Garbage is public property. Not private property. SCOTUS decided that.

    and assault with a deadly weapon
    Throwing a brick through somebody's window is not assault with a deadly weapon. It's vandalism.

    is to stop the threat by any means necessary. If the parents can't control thier sociopathic savage, this is what happens.
    The basic premise of your argument for deadly force is wrong. Why continue?
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    While I cannot blame this woman for her actions? I refuse to cheer on an adult shooting a child. YES CHILD! Where in the hell are the parents and why in the hell did it have to come to this?
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