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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I measure a couple of things before I decide if force has become necessary.

    Repeated abuse, previous contact with the police, degree of harassment and bodily harm.

    I know when I was a kid, even though I was a destructive somewhat evil little bastard, that any confrontation with the police would have scared the **** out of me.
    Obviously, these kids did not have that fear.

    I think she was well within her right to do something, instead of wait.
    Who knows how long it could of taken, she did say that they attempted to kick in the door or kick the door.
    If they came through the door, I would have no problem with her killing one of them instead of just wounding them. However, as long as her life was not in immediate danger, she should have waited for the police.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "Many police functions can now be accomplished by calling 311.

    Filing a police report after a crime has occurred and the offender is gone:
    If you wake up in the morning and realize that your bicycle is missing from your garage, call 311.
    If your neighbor leaves the dog in the yard all night, barking at squirrels, call 311.
    If you come out of the grocery store and realize the cell phone you left on the seat of your car is gone, call 311.
    If you hear your car alarm in the middle of the night and realize someone has tried to steal or break into your car, call 311."
    Nice selective quoting.

    Talking directly to police officers in your district:
    In 1993, the Police Department began a comprehensive community policing strategy designed to help officers get to know the neighborhoods in which they work and to help residents get to know their beat officers.

    This partnership is designed to help address potential crime and disorder problems before they escalate, improving the quality of life for all residents of the City.

    While the police and community hold regular beat meetings, there may be issues or activities that you and your neighbors need to talk directly to your district about between meetings. You can use 311 to accomplish this.

    These are exactly the types of problems that community oriented policing is designed to address. This lady had access to beat officers and COP officers who could have sat down with her personally, developed a strategy to address this neighborhood nuisance, and removed the problem from her neighborhood. It happens all the time, daily, in cities around the U.S., including in Chicago. I used to be involved with it all the time.

    Instead, she chose vigilante justice. I find it interesting that you are defending going vigilante against a 12-year-old.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If they came through the door, I would have no problem with her killing one of them instead of just wounding them. However, as long as her life was not in immediate danger, she should have waited for the police.
    Exactly. If these kids had actually invaded her home, I'd have zero problems with her shooting. But they didn't. She took the conflict to them, and escalated it to a level that I find morally objectionable.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    there is no hyperbole here and I am the first to admit when I indulge in it.
    So, calling 12 year olds "savages" isn't hyperbole? You so funny, Rev.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If they came through the door, I would have no problem with her killing one of them instead of just wounding them. However, as long as her life was not in immediate danger, she should have waited for the police.
    That's the problem, it's sometimes hard to understand when your life is in danger, from a story.

    I've had people try to intimidate me with guns before, I could have responded with a gunfire but it made no sense.
    They were merely trying to intimidate me but not hurt me.

    These kids crossed the line to actual bodily harm and repeated abuse, even after a confrontation with the authorities.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's the problem, it's sometimes hard to understand when your life is in danger, from a story.

    I've had people try to intimidate me with guns before, I could have responded with a gunfire but it made no sense.
    They were merely trying to intimidate me but not hurt me.

    These kids crossed the line to actual bodily harm and repeated abuse, even after a confrontation with the authorities.
    Bring the authorities back out. Don't call the cops, then get your 9 and go back out cappin' kids before the cops ever get there. That's ghetto.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Bring the authorities back out. Don't call the cops, then get your 9 and go back out cappin' kids before the cops ever get there. That's ghetto.
    Normally I would totally agree with that but when they have no fear of the authorities and they act with malice, things change.

    Ghetto kids, sometimes, need a ghetto response.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I really find this very sad. She should be trapped in her own home, while her property is being destroyed? Seriously??
    I've been thinking the same thing.

    Some are advocating that the woman should have just stayed in her house where she was "safe" (despite occasional bricks coming through the windows and her front door being kicked). These kids had been harassing the poor woman for a YEAR, and weren't likely to stop; in fact, their harassment and vandalism had increased over that period of time to the point that they physically assaulted her with a brick in the chest.

    And the advice she's given is to stay in the house and take cover.



    I'm curious exactly how long those who advocate this course of action believe she should stay in her home to avoid more assaults from kids that had been coming after her for a YEAR.

    Should she start having friends and neighbors do her grocery shopping for her? After all, these kids have been rampaging up and down the street for at least a year, and just taking a walk to the corner could result in another assault. Maybe she should quit her jobs (yes, she works two jobs), so she can be sure she won't be hit by another flying brick as she heads down the street to the bus stop.


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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, calling 12 year olds "savages" isn't hyperbole? You so funny, Rev.
    12 year olds that throw bricks through people windows, vandalize their property and set garbage cans on fire are savages.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Hmmm, an unsupervised boy running amuck in the neighborhood, with a pattern of terrorizing an elderly lady living alone, and the parents of the boy not taking responsibility for their boys actions.......tells me the elderly lady had every right to protect herself and her property from the little thug.

    The pattern of terrorizing is key to understanding why the elderly women finally took such drastic means since the act of terrorizing is meant to oppress, intimidate, and frighten which leads to a state of panic. The elderly woman was living in a constant state of fear and thus her rights were being violated. And since the parents of the boy and the state were not protecting the woman's rights, she had the right to defend herself where others would not.

    People whine about the boy's injuries, but that wouldnt have happened if the boys parents were raising their son to be a responsible good citizen instead of a menace to society. I place the bulk of the blame on the boys parents because if they were in any way unable to control their own son, then they should sought outside help or put him in a special school for troubled youth, instead of letting him run wild and terrorizing the neighborhood.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, calling 12 year olds "savages" isn't hyperbole? You so funny, Rev.




    You wouldnt understand how much i wish it was hyperbole. Sadly.
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