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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If she felt that she was at risk of imminent harm, she should have called the police. Did she believe that the 12 year old was going to storm her house, for instance?


    You are in the scene, is it unheard of?


    She did call the police. They had failed her on numerous occasions and the savages were escalating.





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    ""I was terrified," said Matthews, adding she went inside and grabbed a gun.

    She called police, but worried they might come too late. So she said she went back outside and fired at the boys, wounding the 12-year-old in the shoulder.

    "I was either going to be a victim or a villain," Matthews told ABC affiliate WLS-TV. "I did what I had to do to protect myself."


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    She lived in constant fear, and Tuesday evening reached her breaking point. She had just returned from the grocery store when she saw her windows had been shattered and 2 boys were running away.

    Margaret Matthews called the police, but they hadn’t yet arrived when the boys came back and began taunting her again, this time throwing rocks and bricks at her. She was struck in the chest and the knee.

    Mrs. Mathews, or Ms. Margaret as she is known in the neighborhood, then went in her home and retrieved her late husbands legally registered gun and fired shots to scare the young men away. She alleges at one point the bullies had tried to kick in her door.

    One bullet struck the 12 year old—he was treated at a local hospital and released shortly after.

    The two young men have a different version and are being defended by their parents, of course. They say they were passing by and had just finished playing basketball when Miss Margaret came out and opened fire.

    Their parents and a few others are furious that Margaret Matthews will not be charged.

    The rational and sane folks in the neighborhood call Matthews a hero. They emphatically state that this elderly woman was targeted and harassed repeatedly by these bullies and no one could make it stop.


    Margaret Matthews: Senior Citizen Shoots 12 Year Old, Not Charged (Video) » Right Juris



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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've provided options above. If she felt that she was at risk of imminent harm, she should have called the police.
    She did. How many more times do you think she could have been hit with bricks before they got there?

    Did she believe that the 12 year old was going to storm her house, for instance?
    Why not?

    What other types of non-lethal force could she have utilized?
    Such as?

    In my department, if sending cops to her house didn't work, police would have gone to the parents' houses and met with them. They might have sent someone like me to meet with the kids and their parents. The children involved were also involved in the juvenile justice system, so there is some recourse available through the court system.
    Obviously this didn't take place in your department.

    The last thing I would have done, to be frank, was to up the level of escalation by walking back outside, firearm in hand, and confronted the kids.
    I would have. I'm sure as **** not going to lay in wait for them to come and get me. I'm going to get the upperhand while I am able. And, she gave them fair warning. THEY chose to stay and continue to threaten her even when she had a gun in her hand. Stupid punks.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=2307





    Listen to her, she is clearly elderly.


    scroll down it's there.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are in the scene, is it unheard of?
    It's unlikely. And, if they did, she had a weapon. Instead, she went outside and escalated this situation into a shooting. I would suggest that poor social skills are often a factor in these kinds of situations.

    She did call the police. They had failed her on numerous occasions and the savages were escalating.
    Hyperbole doesn't make your position any stronger. Was she safer INSIDE or OUTSIDE of the house?

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    She did. How many more times do you think she could have been hit with bricks before they got there?
    If she'd stayed inside, probably she wouldn't have been hit again. What circumstances necessitated her going outside to confront these punks with a gun?

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If she'd stayed inside, probably she wouldn't have been hit again.
    "probably". I wouldn't be willing to bet my life on that.

    What circumstances necessitated her going outside to confront these punks with a gun?
    Fear for her life.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've provided options above. If she felt that she was at risk of imminent harm, she should have called the police. Did she believe that the 12 year old was going to storm her house, for instance? What other types of non-lethal force could she have utilized?

    She did call the police.


    There are now reports coming out they did try to kick her door in.


    non-lethal? I don't believe in non lethal. I believe in threat neutralization and pepper spray wouldn't have helped this lady.



    In my department, if sending cops to her house didn't work, police would have gone to the parents' houses and met with them. They might have sent someone like me to meet with the kids and their parents. The children involved were also involved in the juvenile justice system, so there is some recourse available through the court system.

    This is chicago, what do you think the timeline for that would be, if ever.


    The last thing I would have done, to be frank, was to up the level of escalation by walking back outside, firearm in hand, and confronted the kids.

    Why not, would you wait until they smashed all your windows? hit you in the head with a brick? burned your house down?

    I doubt you catz, would be timmid tammy here.



    I actually worked with situations like this in my former job. Chicago PD has a ton of victim resources. I'd probably have asked the officers for a referral to a victim advocate, and worked with that person to potentially file a nuisance suit against the family involved.

    You are one of the good ones. You think within a couple years someone would have advocated for her?


    they didnt



    I would have worked specifically with these folks: https://portal.chicagopolice.org/por.../OtherHelpLine

    A lot of times, the crime prevention advocates in a large department like Chicago can create a pro-active neighborhood plan to address problems like this, whereas repeatedly calling 911 is just going to result in another patrol officer who isn't familiar with the problem being dispatched to the scene.

    you can't be serious, WTF would that do? 2 kids? south shore chicago? I'm sure they could have stopped the menacing and the assaults and the vandalism and the arson. by calling the city information and petty crime line.

    Besides, why should she be required to rely on someone else for her own protection? Self defense is a right.



    311? You suggest she call the city help line?



    "Many police functions can now be accomplished by calling 311.

    Filing a police report after a crime has occurred and the offender is gone:
    If you wake up in the morning and realize that your bicycle is missing from your garage, call 311.
    If your neighbor leaves the dog in the yard all night, barking at squirrels, call 311.
    If you come out of the grocery store and realize the cell phone you left on the seat of your car is gone, call 311.
    If you hear your car alarm in the middle of the night and realize someone has tried to steal or break into your car, call 311."



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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's unlikely. And, if they did, she had a weapon. Instead, she went outside and escalated this situation into a shooting. I would suggest that poor social skills are often a factor in these kinds of situations.

    The kid was escalating already. she put a stop to it.






    Hyperbole doesn't make your position any stronger. Was she safer INSIDE or OUTSIDE of the house?


    there is no hyperbole here and I am the first to admit when I indulge in it.



    Arguable, given the recent links I presented, the history of arson, and brick throwing, it's completley arguable.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    We had something like this happen a couple of days ago, in a continuous problem apartment complex.

    An 11 year old followed an elderly man (he's 94) to his apartment, he then got his 14 year old buddy and decided to beat the man, almost to death, with rocks and take $25 and a cell phone.

    He's still in the hospital and may not make it.
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