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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I did answer the question. Stay inside until the police returned.


    I guess you haven't read many of the links I provided. the police failed her. The agressor was clearly escalating, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then why did she bother to stop and call the cops again?



    Because she is a responsible adult.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Then you call the cops again, and work with the victims advocates to get a restraining order. Why do you people want to shoot someone so bad?
    The cops had been called countless times over the last year, according to neighbors. Restraining order isn't going to do jack ****. It doesn't stop them from doing anything. It's not a matter of "wanting to shoot someone", it's a matter of wanting to stop dangerous vandalism, arson, and physical harm from oneself. If someone hits me in the chest with a brick and raises another one at me, and I have a gun? Guess who is getting shot? Because I can sure as **** guarantee you that I'm not getting hit with another brick. They won't get the chance to hurt or possible kill me again if I can help it. I'll warn them first (as witnesses said she did), but if they refuse to leave, then they're about to learn a valuable lesson about bringing a brick to a gun fight, and that whatever it is that they're willing to do to me, I'm willing to go one step more hardcore to prevent them from doing it.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    “[D]etached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of a knife.”
    – Brown v. United States,
    256 U.S. 335, 343, 41 S.Ct. 501, 65 L.E.2d 961 (1921).



    She was in presence of a brick to which the aggressor was menacing.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The cops had been called countless times over the last year, according to neighbors. Restraining order isn't going to do jack ****. It doesn't stop them from doing anything. It's not a matter of "wanting to shoot someone", it's a matter of wanting to stop dangerous vandalism, arson, and physical harm from oneself. If someone hits me in the chest with a brick and raises another one at me, and I have a gun? Guess who is getting shot? Because I can sure as **** guarantee you that I'm not getting hit with another brick. They won't get the chance to hurt or possible kill me again if I can help it. I'll warn them first (as witnesses said she did), but if they refuse to leave, then they're about to learn a valuable lesson about bringing a brick to a gun fight, and that whatever it is that they're willing to do to me, I'm willing to go one step more hardcore to prevent them from doing it.
    I actually work with this population and have never had to threaten shooting someone to get them to stop acting out.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    "Evidence About the Aggressor’s Character and Threats
    Testimony about the aggressor’s character and threats that were known to the client before the incident is generally admissible, and need not be admitted through the client’s testimony. In many states the aggressor’s reputation for violence may be admissible, even if it was unknown to the client, to show that the complainant was the first aggressor"

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    “[D]etached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of a knife.”
    – Brown v. United States,
    256 U.S. 335, 343, 41 S.Ct. 501, 65 L.E.2d 961 (1921).



    She was in presence of a brick to which the aggressor was menacing.
    She wasn't in its presence. she was in her house on the phone with the cops. She went back outside. She went outside, presumably, to scare the kids with a gun. You don't go into a situation expecting to scare the other party if you feel as though your life is threatened.

    She put herself back in the situation that led to her shooting a kid.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I actually work with this population and have never had to threaten shooting someone to get them to stop acting out.
    Good for you, but apparently such tactics didn't work with these kids since the cops had been there countless times. Maybe you could stand there and bat your eyelashes while kids throw bricks at you and you could manage to get them to stop trying to hurt/kill you, but I don't gather that was working for this woman.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "Evidence About the Aggressor’s Character and Threats
    Testimony about the aggressor’s character and threats that were known to the client before the incident is generally admissible, and need not be admitted through the client’s testimony. In many states the aggressor’s reputation for violence may be admissible, even if it was unknown to the client, to show that the complainant was the first aggressor"

    Source: National association of criminal defense lawyers.
    Good. Now tell me where that admissible reputation for violence comes from?

    And further, that in no way states that a crime that hasn't been charged is admissible.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    She wasn't in its presence. she was in her house on the phone with the cops. She went back outside. She went outside, presumably, to scare the kids with a gun. You don't go into a situation expecting to scare the other party if you feel as though your life is threatened.

    She put herself back in the situation that led to her shooting a kid.

    The aggressor was still on her property with bricks, egress to the home where this savage had thrown bricks through the window is not retreating to safety. Also See my above post, I hope that quells your admissibility issue.
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