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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Then you would be ignorant. Just from your description the only thing in danger other than the kid would be the ground as from her porch the trajectory is most assuredly "down"....
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    realistically: the lady was on her porch. the kids were below her in the street. she pointed the gun in their general direction. had she missed, the bullet would've had to glanced off the pavement at just the right angle to head in a bystander's direction and still maintained dangerous velocity.

    the "risk" to the lives of everyone nearby in the neighborhood was minimal.

    So I take it neither of you have heard of "ricochet."

    Like I said, bullets don't stop just because you hit what you were looking to hit.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Incorrect my friend. the crime of "menacing" is simply brandishing a weapon in order to "menace" the victim. Given that there was an attempted assault, he being fearful of her life justifies her use of a weapon for self defense.


    Here are a couple examples.

    GORST: Brick through window hit baby, mother says | Northwest News - The News Tribune

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    Clearly an attempted assault, and menacing. The woman was justified in shooting the kid.

    I would almost argue shooting to scare the kid could be considered menacing in certain jurisdictions, she's lucky to have hit him.
    There still has to be intent to use the object as a weapon. Simply holding a brick does not constitute intent to use it as a weapon. Further, these kids haven't been charged with any assaults as far as I can tell.


    Arson is a Felony Crime


    There is a case for all of these things here.
    Show me an arson charge against these kids and then you have a discussion. Until then, felony arson is off the table and is not a defense for this woman shooting a kid.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, that would be an accident and not a danger to anyone else.



    A bat is a reasonable response to a brick.



    Now I'm not sure, only because now he's dead. Probably okay with me, but it's in a gray area.


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    she was hit with bricks, that's assault with a deadly weapon, a gunshot to the head is indicated.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Also to add Jallman and others,

    from the article:





    This is felony assault with a deadly weapon. She was justifed.


    Remember folks this is south chi-town, if they had a chance they would have raped her on gun charges if they could.
    Physically, I want to see evidence of her getting hit with the brick.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    she was hit with bricks, that's assault with a deadly weapon, a gunshot to the head is indicated.
    She CLAIMS whe was hit with the brick. I want to see evidence of that before I give her a pass for shooting a kid.

    I know damned well if your kid threw a brick through a window and got shot for it, you would be up in arms about it. I can't believe you're sitting here giving a pass to this woman for shooting a kid.

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    There still has to be intent to use the object as a weapon. Simply holding a brick does not constitute intent to use it as a weapon. Further, these kids haven't been charged with any assaults as far as I can tell.

    according to the article she was hit with the brick.

    also
    The boy's charges could land him in juvenile detention for up to a year.

    I doubt that's for petty vandalism.








    Show me an arson charge against these kids and then you have a discussion. Until then, felony arson is off the table and is not a defense for this woman shooting a kid.


    It's one point to a bigger picture of menacing and assault. both of which has a justified response of shooting to defend oneself.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    She CLAIMS whe was hit with the brick. I want to see evidence of that before I give her a pass for shooting a kid.

    I know damned well if your kid threw a brick through a window and got shot for it, you would be up in arms about it. I can't believe you're sitting here giving a pass to this woman for shooting a kid.



    I'm siding with the chicago police department, who if given the chance would have crucified her due to the use of a firearm.


    My kid won't have a history of assaulting old ladies and commiting arson against her property.
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Ruh-roh shaggy,


    The boys, however, have been charged as juveniles with aggravated assault of a person over the age of 60 and have been released to their parents, police said.

    The woman walked out onto the porch and the boys began shouting obscenities and throwing bricks at her, authorities said. The woman then pulled out a gun and opened fire, striking one of the boys in the shoulder, authorities said.
    Woman who shot 12-year-old won't face charges, but boy will - Chicago Breaking News
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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I like the way you phrased that. Nothing changes how lethal anything is except a change to the properties of the thing itself.

    That said, if you are trying to convince me that a brick is as lethal as a bullet, good luck. Bricks aren't capable of the kind of penetration most bullets are, and bullets typically have a much longer range.
    Are you saying you believe that if a brick through a window hits you in the head upon arrival, you'll be unharmed?

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    Re: good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

    "I was terrified," the South Shore resident tells the Chicago Tribune. "The young man hit me in the chest with a brick. After a year of harassment, that was the straw that broke the camel's back."
    Elderly Chicago Woman: I Don't Regret Shooting 12-Year-Old Bully - Crime & Courts, Real People Stories : People.com



    By law that is the only justification needed.
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