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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, it's an easy step to take a fear to the sky is falling. the politics of fear is based on that exact premise. And it works.

    Sadly.
    I agree. The global warming nuts using fear to kill jobs seems to be working.
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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

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    Hotair.com, found a prime example of how the Obama administration is doing more to kill jobs, than to help the private sector create jobs. This is proof positive that the government can only kill jobs, not create jobs.


    Actually, it’s not just the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s minority contingent that fears the loss of nearly a million jobs from new EPA rules on greenhouse gases and other emissions issues. It’s also groups like the United Steel Workers, Unions for Jobs and the Environment, and experts like King’s College Professor Ragnar Lofstedt. Hot Air got an exclusive look at a report that the EPW minority staff will release later this morning detailing the economic damage that an activist EPA will do to the American economy, and which will come at perhaps the worst possible time, both economically and politically.

    The executive summary spells out the stakes involved in the effort to rein in the EPA:

    •New standards for commercial and industrial boilers: up to 798,250 jobs at risk;
    •The revised National Ambient Air Quality Standard for ozone: severe restrictions on job creation and business expansion in hundreds of counties nationwide.
    •New standards for Portland Cement plants: up to 18 cement plants at risk of shutting down, threatening nearly 1,800 direct jobs and 9,000 indirect jobs;
    •The Endangerment Finding/Tailoring Rules for Greenhouse Gas Emissions: higher energy costs; jobs moving overseas; severe economic impacts on the poor, the elderly, minorities, and those on fixed incomes; 6.1 million sources subject to EPA control and regulation

    Hot Air » Exclusive: EPW report shows new EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs
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    From the site
    “Tens of thousands of these jobs will be imperiled. In addition, many more tens of thousands of jobs in the supply chains and in the communities where these plants are located also will be at risk.”
    Nor are steelworkers the only group at risk. New industrial standards for Portland cement threaten to stop all American production in the name of environmental protection — and send the work overseas to China, where ironically the standards are more lax and more pollution will result:

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    None of this is about saving the planet. It's all about lowering the standard of living in America.
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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    One question; Why?
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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    One question; Why?
    To fundamentally transform America.
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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I agree. The global warming nuts using fear to kill jobs seems to be working.
    Sure, there are also some nuts in everything. But a major difference here is GW has scinece behind the claim, whereas deniers have industry duping them like the Tabbacco companies taught them how so long ago. Sadly.

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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    To fundamentally transform America.
    In grand tradition of 9/11 nutters and birthers, one more conspiracy nutter effort takes root.


    Wait a minute, this typs of fear mongering is as old as the country. Can't our nutters even be orginal?

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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    One question; Why?
    Power, greed. They believe that they know best how you should live your life.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Where are the facts to back this finding up? It sounds like they took opinions and fears of what-might-happen, and wrote an official report on it. Many of the quotes are coming from the unions, not the companies themselves. Unions are known for making people fear for their jobs and resisting any change that doesn't directly benefit their workers. I want to know what the timeline is for the new standards to take effect. Are the companies being given time to actually implement the standards prior to facing heavy fines or shutdown? Are the companies willing to make the changes that will put them within standards? Have any of them started implementing the process to make their facilities up-to-standard or are they just complaining, hoping it will pass? And wouldn't the need to upgrade or attempt to upgrade create at least some jobs in itself? Were those jobs that it might create taken into account when figuring the possible job losses? How crucial are the businesses that were included in these numbers of possible lost jobs? Are these job overmanned, undermanned, or just at the amount needed, right now? If there are any from power-providing companies, then there shouldn't be as many jobs lost as there are increases in cost. And how big will those cost increases actually be? I remember about 2 years ago hearing that certain rules would double or triple the cost of power across the country within a few months to a year. I didn't see much of an increase, if any at all, to my own area's rates in the 2 years since hearing about that. Are there counter-incentives being put into place that might help to keep some of the less crucial jobs here in the US?

    Does anyone have a link to the actual study, instead of just their conclusion?
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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure, there are also some nuts in everything. But a major difference here is GW has scinece behind the claim, whereas deniers have industry duping them like the Tabbacco companies taught them how so long ago. Sadly.
    And the science says shipping jobs to China for them to pollute instead of us will save the planet, how?
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    Re: New EPA rules will cost more than 800,000 jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In grand tradition of 9/11 nutters and birthers, one more conspiracy nutter effort takes root.


    Wait a minute, this typs of fear mongering is as old as the country. Can't our nutters even be orginal?
    Those were Barack Obama's words.
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