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    Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    I guess since some people do not think you should have any expectation of privacy in your car or that it is okay to use satellites to see if you have a pool in your back yard with out a warrant then they should have no problem with the police driving next to them on the road in one of these vans or even in front of their house with one of these vans.


    Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes
    As the privacy controversy around full-body security scans begins to simmer, it’s worth noting that courthouses and airport security checkpoints aren’t the only places where backscatter x-ray vision is being deployed. The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. streets.

    American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview. While the biggest buyer of AS&E’s machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.

    “This product is now the largest selling cargo and vehicle inspection system ever,” says Reiss.

    The Z Backscatter Vans, or ZBVs, as the company calls them, bounce a narrow stream of x-rays off and through nearby objects, and read which ones come back. Absorbed rays indicate dense material such as steel. Scattered rays indicate less-dense objects that can include explosives, drugs, or human bodies. That capability makes them powerful tools for security, law enforcement, and border control.

    It would also seem to make the vans mobile versions of the same scanning technique that’s riled privacy advocates as it’s been deployed in airports around the country. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is currently suing the DHS to stop airport deployments of the backscatter scanners, which can reveal detailed images of human bodies. (Just how much detail became clear last May, when TSA employee Rolando Negrin was charged with assaulting a coworker who made jokes about the size of Negrin’s genitalia after Negrin received a full-body scan.)

    “It’s no surprise that governments and vendors are very enthusiastic about [the vans],” says Marc Rotenberg, executive director of EPIC. “But from a privacy perspective, it’s one of the most intrusive technologies conceivable.”

    AS&E’s Reiss counters privacy critics by pointing out that the ZBV scans don’t capture nearly as much detail of human bodies as their airport counterparts. The company’s marketing materials say that its “primary purpose is to image vehicles and their contents,” and that “the system cannot be used to identify an individual, or the race, sex or age of the person.”
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    The video in the link doesn't work anymore.

    Found another video demonstrating the technology:
    YouTube - "ZBV" - Z Backscatter Van

    It wouldn't surprise me if we started seeing this technology at border checkpoints... if they haven't already installed them.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    It's interesting, but I'm not convinced it's entirely effective. The machine cant seem to tell the difference between a box of C4 and a box of toilet paper. I could see it's usefulness in finding hidden cargo or in human trafficking operations, but I dont really see a use for it just driving down the street scanning cars.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    The companies who make and market these technologies have no moral fiber.

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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The companies who make and market these technologies have no moral fiber.
    It's called capitalism. If there is a market they will make it.

    Why do you think we have such a horrid thing as napalm?

    What I'm concerned about is if this is truly x-ray technology how much radiation would a trucker accumulate coming back and forth across the border? What about the irradiation of fruits and vegtebles?
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    It's called capitalism. If there is a market they will make it.

    Why do you think we have such a horrid thing as napalm?

    What I'm concerned about is if this is truly x-ray technology how much radiation would a trucker accumulate coming back and forth across the border? What about the irradiation of fruits and vegtebles?
    Capitalism it may be but capitalism is different from morality, just because something is legal or competitive doesn't mean its morally right regardless if there's a market for something or not.

    But thats the real issue, there shouldn't be a market for these kind of things at least not anywhere in the U.S. Where is that SCOTUS that's going to strike these things down, along with this whole ridiculous "security" fanfare that's taking over this country. I don't care if its less secure to not have warrentless wiretaps, body scanners and whatever other cockamamie crap the government can come up with, that's not how I want to live.

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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Capitalism it may be but capitalism is different from morality, just because something is legal or competitive doesn't mean its morally right regardless if there's a market for something or not.

    But thats the real issue, there shouldn't be a market for these kind of things at least not anywhere in the U.S. Where is that SCOTUS that's going to strike these things down, along with this whole ridiculous "security" fanfare that's taking over this country. I don't care if its less secure to not have warrentless wiretaps, body scanners and whatever other cockamamie crap the government can come up with, that's not how I want to live.

    9/11 has made everyone insane.
    Why shouldn't there be a market for these kinds of things? I agree that it's pretty bad that we've gotten to this point, but with all the threats to our national security it's perfectly logical to adopt this technology.

    However I do completely agree that this kind of technology driving down the street scanning people and vehicles is completely unconstitutional.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    The video in the link doesn't work anymore.

    Found another video demonstrating the technology:
    YouTube - "ZBV" - Z Backscatter Van

    It wouldn't surprise me if we started seeing this technology at border checkpoints... if they haven't already installed them.
    I do not think most people would have a problem with these on the borders or our ports scanning incoming traffic and containers. If that is the case then there is no reason for these to be mobile,they can be stationary. The only reason for these things to be mobile is so they can drive close to a house or close to someone on a highway.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Somebody needs to up their Clozapine. If steel reflects the "rays" (which are weaker than x-rays) then you only need to keep your explosives down low in the car, and they can't be seen. For the terminally bashful, your naughty bits will be hidden by your car's door. Anyone not noticing a huge truck parked on their driveway scannng the house deserves to be spied on. That or a free eye test.
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