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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think most people would have a problem with these on the borders or our ports scanning incoming traffic and containers. If that is the case then there is no reason for these to be mobile,they can be stationary. The only reason for these things to be mobile is so they can drive close to a house or close to someone on a highway.
    For people coming in to the U.S. I think it would be a good idea. I've seen some of the crazy tactics smugglers have used online and on the show Border Wars. I don't think it would be a terrible idea to scan things going out of the country either... searching for large amounts of money or weapons being snuck through the border. But again, this doesn't sound to me like something that would be constitutional. What do you think?
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Why shouldn't there be a market for these kinds of things? I agree that it's pretty bad that we've gotten to this point, but with all the threats to our national security it's perfectly logical to adopt this technology.

    However I do completely agree that this kind of technology driving down the street scanning people and vehicles is completely unconstitutional.
    There shouldnt be a market because it should be illegal and unconstitutional.

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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It's interesting, but I'm not convinced it's entirely effective. The machine cant seem to tell the difference between a box of C4 and a box of toilet paper. I could see it's usefulness in finding hidden cargo or in human trafficking operations, but I dont really see a use for it just driving down the street scanning cars.
    Agreed.

    What's interesting - or twistedly funny - is that the people who worry are worried about *the government* using such things don't seem to be thinking that *bad* people could use it just as well. Though I feel it's actually more along the lines of conspiracy than reality - or a useless idea in transition to something more useful - I'd worry more about such things falling into the hands of terrorists or what not - rather than the cops or fbi.

    But per the OP's comments about spying on your land overhead - what good does that do? And more so - who cares if someone can see what you have in your yard.
    If you have nothing ot hide then you have nothing to worry about. They've had the ability to fly overhead and spy on your crappy back yard since airplanes were invented.



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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It's interesting, but I'm not convinced it's entirely effective. The machine cant seem to tell the difference between a box of C4 and a box of toilet paper. I could see it's usefulness in finding hidden cargo or in human trafficking operations, but I dont really see a use for it just driving down the street scanning cars.
    Businesses could use it to find out which employee is stealing toilet paper.

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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I guess since some people do not think you should have any expectation of privacy in your car or that it is okay to use satellites to see if you have a pool in your back yard with out a warrant then they should have no problem with the police driving next to them on the road in one of these vans or even in front of their house with one of these vans.


    Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes
    As the privacy controversy around full-body security scans begins to simmer, it’s worth noting that courthouses and airport security checkpoints aren’t the only places where backscatter x-ray vision is being deployed. The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. streets.

    American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview. While the biggest buyer of AS&E’s machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.

    “This product is now the largest selling cargo and vehicle inspection system ever,” says Reiss.

    The Z Backscatter Vans, or ZBVs, as the company calls them, bounce a narrow stream of x-rays off and through nearby objects, and read which ones come back. Absorbed rays indicate dense material such as steel. Scattered rays indicate less-dense objects that can include explosives, drugs, or human bodies. That capability makes them powerful tools for security, law enforcement, and border control.

    It would also seem to make the vans mobile versions of the same scanning technique that’s riled privacy advocates as it’s been deployed in airports around the country. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is currently suing the DHS to stop airport deployments of the backscatter scanners, which can reveal detailed images of human bodies. (Just how much detail became clear last May, when TSA employee Rolando Negrin was charged with assaulting a coworker who made jokes about the size of Negrin’s genitalia after Negrin received a full-body scan.)

    “It’s no surprise that governments and vendors are very enthusiastic about [the vans],” says Marc Rotenberg, executive director of EPIC. “But from a privacy perspective, it’s one of the most intrusive technologies conceivable.”

    AS&E’s Reiss counters privacy critics by pointing out that the ZBV scans don’t capture nearly as much detail of human bodies as their airport counterparts. The company’s marketing materials say that its “primary purpose is to image vehicles and their contents,” and that “the system cannot be used to identify an individual, or the race, sex or age of the person.”
    I have no problem with them using stationary body scanners at airports, or the border. However I do think that having a mobile scanner to be way too much and is an invasion of privacy....unless they have a warrant for it.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    For people coming in to the U.S. I think it would be a good idea. I've seen some of the crazy tactics smugglers have used online and on the show Border Wars. I don't think it would be a terrible idea to scan things going out of the country either... searching for large amounts of money or weapons being snuck through the border. But again, this doesn't sound to me like something that would be constitutional.
    In the case of using it on the border why does it need to be mobile? Why just stationary x-ray scanner at the check point? The only reason for making it mobile is so they can sneak a pick at motorist, homes or anything else.
    What do you think?
    I think such a thing will used for unconstitutional searches while you are driving your car or drive by your home and use it.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Just what I wanted, more exposure to radiation!

    I should be president. You know why? People would run ideas like this past my desk, and I'd get to say to them "No, you can't do that. Why? Because I'm the president and I said so, that's why, moron. Also, you're fired. And your mother is fired."
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    Privacy, for god's sake...
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In the case of using it on the border why does it need to be mobile? Why just stationary x-ray scanner at the check point? The only reason for making it mobile is so they can sneak a pick at motorist, homes or anything else.


    I think such a thing will used for unconstitutional searches while you are driving your car or drive by your home and use it.
    Even if this is true, so what? As I pointed out, it doesnt work very well for that purpose.
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    Re: Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Even if this is true, so what? As I pointed out, it doesnt work very well for that purpose.
    Indeed - unless they can peer beyond the brick and into your purse contents I don't consider it functional or troublesome even in *that* sense.
    Now - if this was more advanced and they could pull off an indepth scan on a pass then I'd be bothered.

    So - they put an Xray machine on wheels. That can't be a new idea, either.
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