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    A turning point for American healthcare.

    The only way is up.

    "Insurers can no longer deny coverage for children under age 19 because of pre-existing conditions. Checkups, immunizations and other basic preventive health care will become free for many people with health coverage, although many others will fall through a loophole. If you get seriously sick, the insurance company can't cancel your coverage because you forgot to tell them about the hangnail removed five years ago. Coverage can still be canceled if you deliberately lie about something important on your insurance application, but not for accidental omissions. Lifetime coverage limits disappear, and annual coverage limits start to fade away. There's a stronger appeals process for when insurance companies deny care."

    New Law Brings Changes To Health Insurance Rules This Week - Kaiser Health News

    " ... Don't those all sound like pretty good things? Well, in this election season, what are the Democrats prepared to do about it?

    Obama is giving a speech Wednesday touting the new measures. But what else? See, if this were the Republicans, they'd have a whole huge strategy. Not just one presidential speech, but a string of appearances; at each one, a child cancer survivor or an elderly dialysis patient whose coverage had been denied and was being restored; et cetera. You get my drift..."

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    - Your right on one thing, the only way is up, for premiums that is. How can people be so gullible to think health care can be free?
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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    How can people be so gullible to think health care can be free?
    Lack of critical thinking would be my guess.
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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Who thinks it is free? Isn't that more an invention of people opposing reform?

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    In response to the "Obama I don't really care about your Health Kill Granny plan" we have already seen rates go up substantially and now I read that many Insurance Co. are dropping Child policies to avoid the new rules.

    This tells me the best course is for a more pragmatic Health Care plan that doen't have 13 or more new taxes hidden in 2000 plus pages, of garbage.

    The republicans actually have a better idea for after we get rid of the Obama plan after the Nov. Election.

    I only hope they follow through with what they are saying now. We could see much of the damage of the last two plus years reversed with a little luck.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    - Your right on one thing, the only way is up, for premiums that is. How can people be so gullible to think health care can be free?
    So these kids with cancer on ssi are getting free health care?

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    In response to the "Obama I don't really care about your Health Kill Granny plan" we have already seen rates go up substantially and now I read that many Insurance Co. are dropping Child policies to avoid the new rules.

    This tells me the best course is for a more pragmatic Health Care plan that doen't have 13 or more new taxes hidden in 2000 plus pages, of garbage.

    The republicans actually have a better idea for after we get rid of the Obama plan after the Nov. Election.

    I only hope they follow through with what they are saying now. We could see much of the damage of the last two plus years reversed with a little luck.
    Premiums were going up before healthcare reform, so why would any reasonable person just assume reform caused them to go up?

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Premiums were going up before healthcare reform, so why would any reasonable person just assume reform caused them to go up?
    Of course they were going up. That's the nature of the beast. However to think that the reform wouldn't cause them to go up also (or go up more than normal) is unreasonable at best. There are too many provisions in the HCR to not expect it to go up.

    I would like to say however that the one thing that I do agree with on the HCR is the part that makes it to where insurers cannot deny coverage to someone due to a pre-existing condition.
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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Of course they were going up. That's the nature of the beast. However to think that the reform wouldn't cause them to go up also (or go up more than normal) is unreasonable at best. There are too many provisions in the HCR to not expect it to go up.

    I would like to say however that the one thing that I do agree with on the HCR is the part that makes it to where insurers cannot deny coverage to someone due to a pre-existing condition.
    The only way to have the part you like, without a public option, is to make it a requirement that everyone have insurance. The truth is all that many complain about
    is what is required to have what they want.

    If we could have removed the fear mongering misinformation, we might have done a much better job with reform. But that isn't how it worked out. However, my point is that things we're getting worse before reform. Permiums were going up, people were losing insurance, losing coverage. All of this before refrom. Doing nothing wasn't a viable option. Even if it cost more, but more people are covered, we're still better for it. And we can keep working to make it better.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The only way to have the part you like, without a public option, is to make it a requirement that everyone have insurance. The truth is all that many complain about
    is what is required to have what they want.
    Why make it a requirement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If we could have removed the fear mongering misinformation, we might have done a much better job with reform. But that isn't how it worked out. However, my point is that things we're getting worse before reform. Permiums were going up, people were losing insurance, losing coverage. All of this before refrom. Doing nothing wasn't a viable option. Even if it cost more, but more people are covered, we're still better for it. And we can keep working to make it better.
    Sorry but the "fear mongering misinformation" is not the cause for the crappy HCR that the democrats passed. What people said had no effect on what was put into that bill. Indeed much of it was put in before people even had an inkling of what was in it. Thanks to the "transparency" (/sarcasm) that was allowed while they were working on it.
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