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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Not for much longer we won't. It will never take full affect.
    Again, we'll see. But more is the pitty if we don't move forward. What we had was and is unsustainable, and republicans have no stomach to do the things that need to be done.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, we'll see. But more is the pitty if we don't move forward. What we had was and is unsustainable, and republicans have no stomach to do the things that need to be done.
    Nobody has said the that current state of health care was perfect, just about everyone recognizes that the current health care system is in serious need of reform. However that doenst translate into having the Federal Government take it completely over.
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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, we'll see. But more is the pitty if we don't move forward. What we had was and is unsustainable, and republicans have no stomach to do the things that need to be done.
    And yet the majority of Americans agree with the Republicans.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And yet the majority of Americans agree with the Republicans.
    Do they? Odd that when asked about specifics in the bill, they actually like them. But, the fear mongering has been effective. Dishonest, but effective. We'll see what the future holds.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Nobody has said the that current state of health care was perfect, just about everyone recognizes that the current health care system is in serious need of reform. However that doenst translate into having the Federal Government take it completely over.
    Well, they haven't take complete control. But, what we have without this first step is nothing. And republcians have had plenty of opportunity to act in the past and have not remotely even give good effort at any meaningful reform. There is nothing I know of that wwould indicate they ever would without democrats pushing them to have to address it.

    Like I said, the fear mongering has been effective. The claim of the government having complete control is an example of the type of hyperbole too many have accepted, . . . wrongly.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do they? Odd that when asked about specifics in the bill, they actually like them. But, the fear mongering has been effective. Dishonest, but effective. We'll see what the future holds.
    Fear mongering or the dribble of information describing what is actually in the bill. When bills are rushed through Congress without even allowing them to read it, all kinds of surprises pop up. The rush to get the bill passed could be its undoing. If the state's attorney generals manage to get even one provision of the bill declared unconstitutional, the entire bill will be thrown out. The writers forgot to put a severability clause in it, something that is placed in every bill that comes before congress and is in every contract that individuals must sign.

    Reality is about to smack this bill right in the face.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Fear mongering or the dribble of information describing what is actually in the bill. When bills are rushed through Congress without even allowing them to read it, all kinds of surprises pop up. The rush to get the bill passed could be its undoing. If the state's attorney generals manage to get even one provision of the bill declared unconstitutional, the entire bill will be thrown out. The writers forgot to put a severability clause in it, something that is placed in every bill that comes before congress and is in every contract that individuals must sign.

    Reality is about to smack this bill right in the face.
    No, misinformation is not equal to actual information. So, your first sentence is false.

    As for the court ruling, we'll see. More than one lawyer has been wrong. So, I wouldn't go celebrating just yet.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, misinformation is not equal to actual information. So, your first sentence is false.

    As for the court ruling, we'll see. More than one lawyer has been wrong. So, I wouldn't go celebrating just yet.
    You are correct... the dems failed to tell the public any "actual information" as to what is really in this bill and how it will affect their lives. They will regret that.

    Many lawyers will have to be wrong since quite a few states have filed lawsuits against this pig.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You are correct... the dems failed to tell the public any "actual information" as to what is really in this bill and how it will affect their lives. They will regret that.

    Many lawyers will have to be wrong since quite a few states have filed lawsuits against this pig.
    You can play silly if you want, but when people started throwing out death panels and socialism, they left factual information. And those were largerly on your side of this debate. This is not to say both sides were commpletely honest. that is one of the problems with anything or leaders do. They know honest debate is risky, so they poison the effort with distortion. We should all be sad about that. But between us here, only you are arguing that the distortions should be accepted.

    Oh, and a lot of lawyers say the bill will stand. Do a search and don't just look at conservative blogs and spin.

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    Re: A turning point for American healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can play silly if you want, but when people started throwing out death panels and socialism, they left factual information. And those were largerly on your side of this debate. This is not to say both sides were commpletely honest. that is one of the problems with anything or leaders do. They know honest debate is risky, so they poison the effort with distortion. We should all be sad about that. But between us here, only you are arguing that the distortions should be accepted.
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    Who's the one that started the lies on the Republican's healthcare proposal?
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