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    Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Lately, the White House and its allies have been drawing attention to the political activities of libertarian billionaires Charles and David Koch. In an August 9 speech, President Obama singled out Americans for Prosperity, ...

    Holden claims that the revelation of tax information could have been improper, depending on how the information was obtained by the White House:

    "I’m not accusing any one of any illegal conduct. But it’s my understanding that under federal law, tax information, is confidential and it’s not to be disclosed or obtained by individuals except under limited circumstances. ... I don’t know what [the senior administration official] was referring to. I'm not sure what he's saying. I'm not sure what information he has. But if he got this information--confidential tax information--under the internal revenue code ... if he obtained it in a way that was inappropriate, that would be unlawful. But I don't know that that's the case."

    Holden says that to his knowledge the tax status of Koch Industries has not been previously reported in the press.

    So, questions remain: Why won't White House officials say if the quotation about Koch Industries is accurate--or even if a transcript of the briefing exists?

    And, if the quotation is accurate, why won't they say how the White House obtained tax information on Koch Industries?

    Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information? | The Weekly Standard
    Eh Obi... your team has'alotta 'splain'in to do.

    Inquiring minds want to know... shouldn't take 72-hours... sorta reminds me of the Sestak deal... took days for them to craft an non-answer. Looking forward to Isa looking into these allegations of wrongdoing.

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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Eh Obi... your team has'alotta 'splain'in to do.

    Inquiring minds want to know... shouldn't take 72-hours... sorta reminds me of the Sestak deal... took days for them to craft an non-answer. Looking forward to Isa looking into these allegations of wrongdoing.

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    Great ... a certain poster is probably gonna slide right off her chair when she sees this thread ...

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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Those who follow politics know that reports of Obama having an enemies list have come up more than once and he has ask to have the equivalent of what were called Block wardens in Germany during the war who would report on Neighbors.

    Obama has asked on more than one occasion for people to report on other Americans who were for example making false or misleading statements about the "Obama I Don't Care about Your Heath Plan,"

    Well I couldn't resist so I reported the 'Trifecta of Doom," Obama, Pelosi. and Reid.

    I'm sure I am now on the Obama less than friends list for it and for much more.

    The East Germany's Stasi spy group used similar tactics as did the Soviet Union, and now Russians do to.

    All dictatorships such as Hugo Chavez rely heavily on a network of internal informants to garner information on people they consider to be subversives.

    I'm sure those old enough remember Richard Nixon, remember he had an enemies list and a group of close confidants who did his bidding in the form of dirty tricks and use of the IRS as a weapon. Some of his undercover crew went to the federal cross bar hotel, for a while.

    It is believed by some that Bill Clinton was the reason for their suudenly finding themselves on the IRS radar. Though it was never proven.

    It would not surprise me to find that Obama has in his own cadre of radicals who's only function is to be his domestic spies using every tool at their disposal through the use of executive orders and other methods no matter if they are legal or not to get the goods on enemies.

    Obama and his minions have shown in their speeches and actions that many of them are Anti-American and they have no use what ever for the Constitution except to hide behind the first Amendment in order to bash the rest of it and America and Americans with impunity.

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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Americans for Prosperity is a tax exempted organization filing form 990. Which by law is publicly accessible.

    Furthermore, Koch Industries has one of the largest private businesses in America for at least a decade. If Koch is structured as a S Corp, then it doesn't pay corporate level taxes (aside from a few S corp special taxes).

    Telling people what legal structure Koch Industries is and then summarizing the tax implications of that structure is not illegal any more then I saying Microsoft is an C corp and pays corporate taxes. Anyone can go down to the registration place where Koch Industries is registered and look up their legal structure. While is it possible that KI pays corporate level taxes via election, it doesn't make any sense for them to do so.

    This thread is nothing more then an epic gross failure to understand the concept of legal information disclosure and tax code by people who really should not discuss taxes.
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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Maybe this is why some people are so anti-government. They have no bloody idea how it functions and what's legal.
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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    http://apps.sos.wv.gov/business/file.../007008729.pdf

    That's their 2009 990 filing. David Koch is their Chairman.

    Here's an idea: Run your tax issue by me first. Save yourself some egg on your face.

    How did they get the info? By looking up documents and filings that are legally required to be available to the public.

    I guess this means every time someone goes on the internet to a government site looking up information through deliberately enacted government sanctioned search, they've committed a crime.
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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Koch and the lawyers should give a little more time and then file a lawsuit. Simple. During the process we'll find out what was being referenced and how information was handled by the government. Surprised that the fed would delve into private tax records of a corporation unlawfully? He'll no. Especially this admin who sees private industry and business as a villain.
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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Koch and the lawyers should give a little more time and then file a lawsuit.
    Koch shouldn't. And neither should his lawyer (unless he really needs the money). In such a case, they'd be potentially open to revealing actual information they don't want released. Nothing the current adminstration said is not freely and legally avaliable to anyone. By filing a lawsuit and actually going to court, they open themselves up to examination of actual private tax information. A lawsuit in court is the last thing they want.

    During the process we'll find out what was being referenced and how information was handled by the government.
    No need for that. Posts #4 and #6 detail how they did it.

    Surprised that the fed would delve into private tax records of a corporation unlawfully? He'll no. Especially this admin who sees private industry and business as a villain.
    How the hell is looking up legally in the local registration office what Koch is registered as and then looking up their legally publicly avaliable 990 and then the relevant online tax code delving into private tax records?

    You people really outta to stop talking about ANYTHING related to law or taxes.
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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Now, let's see how long the peanut gallery stops talking about legal matters and taxes. I suspect they won't learn their lesson.
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    Re: Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Koch and the lawyers should give a little more time and then file a lawsuit. Simple. During the process we'll find out what was being referenced and how information was handled by the government. Surprised that the fed would delve into private tax records of a corporation unlawfully? He'll no. Especially this admin who sees private industry and business as a villain.
    Somebody didn't read the thread.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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