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Koch Industries Lawyer to White House: How Did You Get Our Tax Information?

If you had bothered to read the entire thread and my posts and if you had a clue how corporations work (besides what you and O.C. have read in books), you would know that I was referring to the fact that both forms of corporations pay taxes, just in different ways.

Go back and read Wiki or wherever you're getting your information before trying to insult people that actually do it.
No, you said the only difference between a C and an S corporations was semantics. You were wrong, since a C corporation pays corporate taxes to the federal government and an S corporation does not.

Ooo so sorry you no likey wiki, but wiki is much more credible than you could ever hope to be. And since insulting people isn't helping your arguements one tiny bit, you would do well to take your own advice.
 
Amusing coming from you.



Said the guy who said that corporate tax rates are dependent upon positions in consolidate parent corps "A lie." Notice we demonstrate knowledge. You just insult people and hope that personal attacks somehow compensate for a sheer lack of any demonstrated knowledge on the subject. How about you actually show you understand the subject before throwing around accusations people don't know what they are talking about?



Wanna prove what I said is wrong? Btw, is infinite = 1? lol. I'm going to mock you until you admit you are wrong.



And the types of taxes, the amounts, rates and on what income are different. You in your crackpot argument argued that S-corp taxes and C-corp taxes are the same.



Try prove someone wrong with something other then insults. Note how we quote you proving you wrong. Where have you provided anything resembling evidence at all much less any knowledge?

If S-corp and C-corp tax differences didn't matter, then people wouldn't organize as an S. See how 100% wrong you are?

You definitely have a reading comprehension issue since little of what you claim is what I actually wrote.

You continue to claim that a S-Corp's filing status is public knowledge. Prove it. Show me a link to a state's public record indicating Koch Industries is an S-Corp. I'll be waiting, then I'll be laughing.
 
You definitely have a reading comprehension issue since little of what you claim is what I actually wrote.

Really? Do you reject that you contested my argument that S-Corp and C-corp taxes were different when you said "Do you REALLY think there is a difference in the taxes paid by an S-Corp and a C-Corp ???" Or this
"The only difference in the corporate taxes paid is in semantics."

There is a real big difference. Potentially infinite layers of taxation is a hell of a lot different then one. Maybe you want to pay 500 layers of taxation opposed to one. Maybe you like paying 35% on passive income vs a lower PHC rate. Maybe you like paying double taxation on dividends. See how I can actually bring up specifics where you can never actually put your money where your mouth is.

You continue to claim that a S-Corp's filing status is public knowledge. Prove it. Show me a link to a state's public record indicating Koch Industries is an S-Corp. I'll be waiting, then I'll be laughing.

I already provided the link to Texas's Registration office complete with phone number and email. You really should have the read the thread you hypocrite.

Oh look. Gill once again completely and utterly failing to prove any accusation he's made. News? No.

I don't know about you, but I don't like seeing dividends get taxed potentially infinite numbers of times and then taxed again on my income verse paying taxes once on pass-through income. But you think infinite layers of taxes = 1. After all it's just "semantics."

I'm giving no quarter to you anymore. Every dumb *** statement you say will be used in a mockery campaign until you admit you are wrong. Which we all know, is never. If you just admitted that S and C are different and admitted my examples are correct I wouldn't be so mean to you. But you refuse. It's kind of sad how some people reject what is easily known to be truth purely because they don't like the person saying it.
 
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Really? Do you reject that you contested my argument that S-Corp and C-corp taxes were different when you said "Do you REALLY think there is a difference in the taxes paid by an S-Corp and a C-Corp ???" Or this
"The only difference in the corporate taxes paid is in semantics."

There is a real big difference. Potentially infinite layers of taxation is a hell of a lot different then one. Maybe you want to pay 500 layers of taxation opposed to one. Maybe you like paying 35% on passive income vs a lower PHC rate. Maybe you like paying double taxation on dividends. See how I can actually bring up specifics where you can never actually put your money where your mouth is.



I already provided the link to Texas's Registration office complete with phone number and email. You really should have the read the thread you hypocrite.

Oh look. Gill once again completely and utterly failing to prove any accusation he's made. News? No.

I don't know about you, but I don't like seeing dividends get taxed potentially infinite numbers of times and then taxed again on my income verse paying taxes once on pass-through income. But you think infinite layers of taxes = 1. After all it's just "semantics."

I'm giving no quarter to you anymore. Every dumb *** statement you say will be used in a mockery campaign until you admit you are wrong. Which we all know, is never. If you just admitted that S and C are different and admitted my examples are correct I wouldn't be so mean to you. But you refuse. It's kind of sad how some people reject what is easily known to be truth purely because they don't like the person saying it.

Really?? Designation as an S-Corps is not a state matter, it is strictly done through the IRS and state's have nothing to do with it with the exception of a couple that require state S-Corp filing and Texas is not one of them.

The Texas web site has no public information on it regarding filing status. They charge money to get information on a corporation's information, Kentucky does not. On their publicly available web site, there is NO information on Koch's filing status because it is NOT a state matter. It is strictly a filing status between the corporation and the IRS and thus is private information not available to the public.


What were you saying about dumb*** statements???

I'll be waiting for your apology.
 
Are taxes paid to the federal government on a S corps income ?? Of course it is, and you've proved my point once again.

Go back to Wiki and research some more.

So all taxes are the same? Tell me, if all taxes are the same, why did Congress specifically enact a built in gains tax on S-Corps? I have demonstrated technical knowledge. You have not.
 
Really?? Designation as an S-Corps is not a state matter, it is strictly done through the IRS and state's have nothing to do with it with the exception of a couple that require state S-Corp filing and Texas is not one of them.

Apparently you still don't know what a registration office is. Elections to change registration type is a state matter. It may not affect your state tax, but it still something that goes into the state registration office along with your original status.

The Texas web site has no public information on it regarding filing status.

Apparently calling them for free to request free information about filing status as a private citizen is "not public." I guess every time I call someone at the state for information, that's not public too. :2wave:

They charge money to get information on a corporation's information

If you choose fax or mail. Read more carefully next time. You can get it free via phone. And that still doesn't support your argument. A fee based service does not mean it is not public. It just means it's not free.

On their publicly available web site, there is NO information on Koch's filing status because it is NOT a state matter. It is strictly a filing status between the corporation and the IRS and thus is private information not available to the public.

Seriously, did you even bother to read my link? There's a telephone number to call to request filing status.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...get-our-tax-information-3.html#post1059009271

Public Information

512-463-5555. Go call them. And it costs a grand total of $0.

What were you saying about dumb*** statements???

I'll be waiting for your apology.

I'm laughing. Louder. At you. You do realize you are arguing that office of registrations which have publicly available registration info don't exist no? That I can't go down to my local office and look up a business despite the fact that I have?

At least you shutup about S and C corp tax being the same. Really. You are wrong. Good luck proving otherwise. I got a several thousand page document called the IRC that says you are wrong. I bring up numerous specific examples of how you are wrong....and you can't even provide a decent argument as to why any of them are wrong.
 
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OK, you've proven that you don't have a clue, which I already knew. You obviously don't even know how a corporation files for S status. hint: states have nothing to do with it.

Go ahead, prove me wrong smart guy. Show me one single state that lists Koch's filing status as a s corp. Texas charges for corporate information, but most don't. Here's Koch's home state of Kansas's Secretary of State information page on Koch. Show me where they are designated as S-Corp.

https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s7

You are just another person that tries to pretend you know something, when your only knowledge comes from a hasty review of Wiki.
 
OK, you've proven that you don't have a clue, which I already knew. You obviously don't even know how a corporation files for S status. hint: states have nothing to do with it.

You should tell New Jersey that.

S Corporation Status

I guess New Jersey isn't a state to you. Or Pennsylvania. Or New York. Or Minnesota. Or Washington. You fail to understand the concept of required filings even if they do not affect taxes. Furthermore, no state bars you from filing additional optional information on formation.

Constantly claiming I don't have a clue and then running away from the majority of my posts is hardly a good tactic. You've fled from the entire argument about how S corp tax is not the same as C corp. Maybe you didn't like me pointing out how you think 500 = 1.

Go ahead, prove me wrong smart guy. Show me one single state that lists Koch's filing status as a s corp.

How about you use the link I gave you? Or are you going to run away from that as well like you did your crackpot 500 layers of tax = 1 argument?

Texas charges for corporate information, but most don't.

If you use snail mail or fax. Kansas charges for certain filings. Thanks for proving you didn't bother reading my link. Btw, you do realize Kansas requires S-corps to file as S-corps no?

Here's Koch's home state of Kansas's Secretary of State information page on Koch. Show me where they are designated as S-Corp.

https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s7

You are just another person that tries to pretend you know something, when your only knowledge comes from a hasty review of Wiki.

Holy crap. I can't believe I missed that. And I don't need to prove they are an S-corp.

Scroll down that list. https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s4

How many pass through entities do you see?

I got caught up in the S-corp problem without seeing Obama was also talking about LLCs, LPs and other passthroughs plenty of which are listed right smack on the Kansas search. Thanks Gill. You just proved Obama right. Koch is organized as partially a series of pass throughs. And don't even start talking about how LLC tax is the same as C-corp. Because that's even more different then S to C.

Tell me does does Wikipedia tell you about bracket picking for consolidated returns? (hint: No). Seriously, you keep pretending I only get my info from Wikipedia. Too bad the stuff I'm saying isn't on wikipedia Tell me Gill, how did I get info from a place that doesn't have the info?

lol. Some staffer just looked up the database, noticed the abundance of pass throughs and noted it down. How illegal was that? I've never had an opponent so thoroughly destroy their own argument like you just did.
 
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By jove, I think you've finally nailed him. Bravo, well done, Obvious Child

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Those who follow politics know that reports of Obama having an enemies list have come up more than once and he has ask to have the equivalent of what were called Block wardens in Germany during the war who would report on Neighbors.

Don't forget death panels, FEMA camps, UN black helicopters, and the monstrous Communist plot to fluoridate drinking water. Oh, and he's really a Kenyan. From Belgium. Working for the Canadian secret police.
 
The White House didn't respond to queries about Mr. Goolsbee's remark for weeks until GOP Senators requested an investigation. The Treasury's inspector general for tax matters has since announced such a probe, and last week White House spokesman Robert Gibbs finally got around to explaining that Mr. Goolsbee's statement "was not in any way based on any review of tax filings" and that he won't use the example again.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703735804575536370151720874.html
Again... this took a long time for the Open & Transparent Obama Administration to cough up an answer, and why in the world would they stop using the example if it's no worry?

"Chairmen of either the Senate Committee on Finance or the House Ways and Means Committee are the only Members of Congress able to receive information protected by section 6103 and that is only upon written request in which specific individuals who may view the sensitive information are identified to the IRS," the Senators wrote.

The statement is also viewed as "troubling" by the Senators because it was made shortly after the President highlighted the advocacy work of certain tax-exempt organizations funded by Koch Industries, Inc. and its owners, which are known to oppose the administration's policies. "We are concerned that the PERAB’s statement singling out Koch Industries, Inc. so soon after the President’s statement was politically motivated," they wrote.

"This law was enacted as a result of the use of tax information for political gain during the Watergate scandal," the letter points out. "Congress sent a very clear message with the enactment of section 6103 that taxpayer privacy was extremely important."

White House Under Fire Over Taxpayer Privacy

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You should tell New Jersey that.

S Corporation Status

I guess New Jersey isn't a state to you. Or Pennsylvania. Or New York. Or Minnesota. Or Washington. You fail to understand the concept of required filings even if they do not affect taxes. Furthermore, no state bars you from filing additional optional information on formation.

Is it reading comprehension or memory that you have problems with. I already stated that several states require individual state designation as S-Corps. :roll:

Constantly claiming I don't have a clue and then running away from the majority of my posts is hardly a good tactic. You've fled from the entire argument about how S corp tax is not the same as C corp. Maybe you didn't like me pointing out how you think 500 = 1.



How about you use the link I gave you? Or are you going to run away from that as well like you did your crackpot 500 layers of tax = 1 argument?

I already explained it once and I'm not going to keep repeating myself since you obviously can't keep track of the thread.

If you use snail mail or fax. Kansas charges for certain filings. Thanks for proving you didn't bother reading my link. Btw, you do realize Kansas requires S-corps to file as S-corps no?

No, actually the state of Kansas doesn't.
Holy crap. I can't believe I missed that. And I don't need to prove they are an S-corp.

Scroll down that list. https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s4

How many pass through entities do you see?

I got caught up in the S-corp problem without seeing Obama was also talking about LLCs, LPs and other passthroughs plenty of which are listed right smack on the Kansas search. Thanks Gill. You just proved Obama right. Koch is organized as partially a series of pass throughs. And don't even start talking about how LLC tax is the same as C-corp. Because that's even more different then S to C.

Tell me does does Wikipedia tell you about bracket picking for consolidated returns? (hint: No). Seriously, you keep pretending I only get my info from Wikipedia. Too bad the stuff I'm saying isn't on wikipedia Tell me Gill, how did I get info from a place that doesn't have the info?

lol. Some staffer just looked up the database, noticed the abundance of pass throughs and noted it down. How illegal was that? I've never had an opponent so thoroughly destroy their own argument like you just did.

It's about time you admitted that states don't list corporations' filing status. If you had bothered to read the original information in the O.P., you would know your "breakthrough" information was addressed a long time ago by Koch's lawyers. Just because some Koch entities are LLCs or LPs doesn't mean they all are. It also has nothing to do with whether they pay corporate taxes or not.

A simple question for you..... if the information is readily available through the various states, why didn't the Obama administration simply state this ???? They didn't did they??? No, they claimed they got the information through Forbes or testimony at the PERAB. Seems to me it would be simpler to point out your "breakthrough" information rather than go through the embarrassment they are enduring now or a possible judicial investigation. Perhaps the Obama administration should hire you since you obviously know much more about this than they do. :lol:
 
Is it reading comprehension or memory that you have problems with. I already stated that several states require individual state designation as S-Corps. :roll:

Except you also said S election "has nothing to do with states." You tend to forget what you wrote. A lot.

Clearly, the reading comprehension problem lies with you. Remember your asinine comment about S and C corp taxes being different only in semantics? How you have abandoned that line of reasoning.

I already explained it once and I'm not going to keep repeating myself since you obviously can't keep track of the thread.

Yeah. And I mocked you constantly for it. What kind of fool thinks that infinite layers of taxation is the same as one? You. That's who.

How about this. I get what remains of $100 after it's taxed once. You get what remains of $100 after it's taxed 500 times at corporate rates. Tell me who end up with more money. According to you, we both end up with the same. :2wave:

Crazy? Yes. Stupid? Absolutely. Your argument? Exactly. You can keep pretending you know more then me, but your constant avoidance in actually addressing my examples shows you really don't get it.

No, actually the state of Kansas doesn't.

Go look up those statues again. There's a difference between making a state S election and filing your Federal S election with the state. Learn it.

It's about time you admitted that states don't list corporations' filing status.

Come again? The database link I posted shows that they do. Or maybe you are unaware of what the letters at the end of their names mean. Considering how you have utterly and completely failed to demonstrate any legal understanding of structure or taxation, that's a distinct possibility.

If you had bothered to read the original information in the O.P., you would know your "breakthrough" information was addressed a long time ago by Koch's lawyers.

None of which was not private. Furthermore, Obama did not actually specificy that Koch was an S-corp. He named off several types of pass throughs, which as my link to the Kansas database shows, include a number of Koch firms. I do love it when my opponent gives me the tools to utterly annihilate him.

Just because some Koch entities are LLCs or LPs doesn't mean they all are.

And that proves your point how? How does that prove that Obama is wrong? Oh wait, it doesn't.

It also has nothing to do with whether they pay corporate taxes or not.

Really. You are really arguing that Koch registered as pass through entities and then choose to elect to be taxed at corporate rates?

You know you should have just given up once I posted that list of passthroughs.

A simple question for you..... if the information is readily available through the various states, why didn't the Obama administration simply state this ????

Actually they did. If you bothered to research anything, you would have noticed that the Administration stated that they got some of their info from Koch's own public information releases.

They didn't did they???

The world does not revolve around you. You not hearing about it does not mean it did not happen. How arrogant of you.

No, they claimed they got the information through Forbes or testimony at the PERAB.

Which are public as well.

Seems to me it would be simpler to point out your "breakthrough" information rather than go through the embarrassment they are enduring now or a possible judicial investigation. Perhaps the Obama administration should hire you since you obviously know much more about this than they do. :lol:

Done yet?

Thanks Gill. Rarely do I see my opponents destroy their own arguments by giving me the necessary evidence.

Btw, your avoidance of most of my points shows how weak you are as a debater.

Tell me Gill, how did I get info from a place that doesn't have the info?

It's hilarious how you think I know nothing about the subject...and then you run away from every technical challenge I make to you.
 
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Except you also said S election "has nothing to do with states." You tend to forget what you wrote. A lot.

Really? Is that what I said ?? Funny, I thought I said the following quote, which is quite a bit different than what you claim above.

Really?? Designation as an S-Corps is not a state matter, it is strictly done through the IRS and state's have nothing to do with it with the exception of a couple that require state S-Corp filing and Texas is not one of them.

Go look up those statues again. There's a difference between making a state S election and filing your Federal S election with the state. Learn it.

Come again? The database link I posted shows that they do. Or maybe you are unaware of what the letters at the end of their names mean. Considering how you have utterly and completely failed to demonstrate any legal understanding of structure or taxation, that's a distinct possibility.

I'm still waiting on you to show where S corps are shown in public information as you claimed for the entire thread. Give up on that???

The world does not revolve around you. You not hearing about it does not mean it did not happen. How arrogant of you.

Well, since you are obviously far more knowledgeable about everything in the world than I am, why don't you point out where they have claimed they got the info from state records.

Here is what they have actually said on the matter:

QUESTION: But it's being alleged that he got that information from IRS filings. I understand that he says -- administration officials say that he saw it in the public record somewhere.

Can you just, sort of, point to where it might have been...

GIBBS: I don't know the answer off the top of my head on that. Again, I can see if there's better information on that.

Once again, looks like they need to contact you since you seem to know so much more than they do... or at least think you do.

I'll ask you again, since you dodged last time. If you are right, why didn't they simply say they got the information from state records???? And, if you are right, why did they say Goolsbee was wrong to say what he did and it won't happen again ????
 
Rarely do I see my opponents destroy their own arguments by giving me the necessary evidence.

You do this repeatedly:
Taxes; you claimed people are stupid about taxes, and then tried to defend the existing mess.. scraping the code wasn't possible.
Autobahn. Remember that one?
Shoe Box Death Traps? Yep, you again.
Your attempt with Bremen? LOL.

You are the master, and I see a similar complaint running through threads you participate in.

Is it reading comprehension or memory that you have problems with. I already stated that several states require individual state designation as S-Corps.

I already explained it once and I'm not going to keep repeating myself since you obviously can't keep track of the thread.

Now, why would Team Obi wait weeks to answer, and why is their answer he won't do it again?

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Really? Is that what I said ?? Funny, I thought I said the following quote, which is quite a bit different than what you claim above.

Get on Gill's Endless Fail Train:

OK, you've proven that you don't have a clue, which I already knew. You obviously don't even know how a corporation files for S status. hint: states have nothing to do with it.

I'm still waiting on you to show where S corps are shown in public information as you claimed for the entire thread. Give up on that???

If you give up on your asinine argument that S corp and C corp taxes are the same sure. But not being able to find S corp filing at least on a public database (which does not mean that calling them will not find the filing information, which as you earlier pointed out IS kept on record) does not mean that the Administration broke any laws. You yourself provided the necessary evidence to annihilate your own argument. Funny stuff there.

Well, since you are obviously far more knowledgeable about everything in the world than I am, why don't you point out where they have claimed they got the info from state records.

Let's recap

1) The information on pass through is publicly accessible.
2) The information on Koch was on their own website.
3) The information on Koch was in their own press releases.

Need I go on?


I'll ask you again, since you dodged last time. If you are right, why didn't they simply say they got the information from state records???? And, if you are right, why did they say Goolsbee was wrong to say what he did and it won't happen again ????

Because they say alot of stuff. You destroy your own argument via providing the data base showing that Obama was in fact correct and that anyone can get that information legally. And now you want to change your argument. First you and others tried to argue that what was said was private. Too bad you basically shot yourself in the foot there. Nice try on changing your argument there.

Still think that 500 layers of taxation = 1? :2wave:

Tell me Gill, how did I get info from a place that doesn't have the info?

You can pretend I don't know anything. But you can also keep pretending you aren't constantly running away from technical challenges on the subject.

So wanna take the bet? Let's both invest $100. But I get my profits from an S. You get yours from a C. Who ends up with more all things being equal?
 
You do this repeatedly:
Taxes; you claimed people are stupid about taxes, and then tried to defend the existing mess.. scraping the code wasn't possible.

Apparently your capacity to understand reform is limited.

Autobahn. Remember that one?

Yes. Your inability to read was quite disturbing.

Shoe Box Death Traps? Yep, you again.

Your constant use of the fallacy of raising the bar was rampant in that one too.

Your attempt with Bremen? LOL.

Come again?

You are the master, and I see a similar complaint running through threads you participate in.

People like you don't like me...because you can't win an argument.

It's hilarious how you are thanking a guy who gave me the database to utterly destroy your argument.
 
People like you don't like me...because you can't win an argument.

ROTFLOL... no Obvious Child... people like me simply tire of your lying and deceiving MO.

Autobahn.
Shoe Box death traps.
Scrap the tax code.
Bremen.

All cases where you slit your own throat, and in the case of taxes you buried yourself with your own admitted anger with your first post... I had no idea what kind of werkzeug you were then, but had an immense laugh nonetheless... it was simply too funny watching someone rant on and on and then make the other person's case right out of the box because the poster's overzealous arrogance got the better of him. It's still hilarious as it's perhaps the fastest job of defeating one's own argument I've seen on DP.

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If the administration revealed protected details of how Koch filed through it's S corp, then in fact, the administration violated privacy laws, since s corps are filed on individual taxes; privacy laws are protected under the privacy act. You're wrong, unless you want to display your tax law prowess explaining to us how the privacy act is applied to s crops vs. c corps. Care to take that challenge?

This has largely degraded into a bunch of personal sniping...but you're so wrong on this that it's ridiculous.

By your standards (and Koch's lawyers) if I called my dad's old company JO Construction LLC - by saying LLC and then explaining how LLCs pay taxes, I'm violating privacy law.

That is not the case and it's foolish to believe so.
 
This has largely degraded into a bunch of personal sniping...but you're so wrong on this that it's ridiculous.

By your standards (and Koch's lawyers) if I called my dad's old company JO Construction LLC - by saying LLC and then explaining how LLCs pay taxes, I'm violating privacy law.

That is not the case and it's foolish to believe so.

You're right, the thread has degraded, but that is what happens when a serial prevaricator enters the discussion full of sound, fury and arrogance. It's the old saying, you can't teach a pig to fly and if you try you only get covered in his crap. So, some threads will turn to crap when pigs enter the discussion.

Here are the questions submitted to and accepted by the Inspector General:
As a result, we ask that you obtain and review a transcript of the August 27, 2010, press briefing to determine the basis for the Administrations employees’ statements and review the PERAB’s work in preparing its report on corporate tax reform. In particular, we ask you to address the following questions.

1) Did Administration employees, including PERAB employees, have access to tax returns and return information in compiling the PERAB report?

2) If yes, how many companies’ tax returns did the PERAB employees review and did they follow the procedures prescribed under the regulations governing section 6103 for accessing and protecting taxpayer information?

3) Did Administration employees, including PERAB employees, violate section 6103 when they discussed the tax status of Koch Industries, Inc. and its related companies?

4) If violations of 6103 did not occur, what was the basis for the statement regarding Koch’s legal and tax status and was the statement appropriate?

The United States Senate Committee on Finance: Newsroom - Ranking Member's News

Here is the code they cite:
United States Code: Title 28,1603. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

Again... why would Team Obi forbid their teammates from making these statements in the future if it's all fine and dandy?

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You wasted a tremendous amount of time and bandwidth and accomplished no more than confirming your history of dodges and strawmen.

:2wave:

And you just shown to the forum you are wrong on everything and lack the maturity and guts to admit it

Go ahead and agree with Zimmer. You'd be wrong 100% of the time. But thanks for providing me the link I needed to utterly annihilate you. Rarely does my opponent so thoroughly destroy themselves.

It is funny watching you keep saying I don't know anything at the same time you are desperately trying to ignore my technical points.

Hey, does 500 layers of taxation = 1?
 
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ROTFLOL... no Obvious Child... people like me simply tire of your lying and deceiving MO.

Aka. Proving you wrong. You're right. People like you are so tired of being proven wrong so often that you people will jump on anything to get back at me. You attacked me recently on a thread while utterly failing to understand anything I said. It's rather pathetic how low you people will go to get a hit in.

Autobahn.
Shoe Box death traps.
Scrap the tax code.
Bremen.

All of which were total fail on your part. Thanks Zimmer!

All cases where you slit your own throat

Hardly. All were cases where you ignored exponentially increasing portions of my posts because you had nothing. I slit my throat...but you cowardly ran away? Come again?

and in the case of taxes you buried yourself with your own admitted anger with your first post

Um. Coming from a user who could not even define the basics of the tax code...really.

I had no idea what kind of werkzeug you were then, but had an immense laugh nonetheless... it was simply too funny watching someone rant on and on and then make the other person's case right out of the box because the poster's overzealous arrogance got the better of him. It's still hilarious as it's perhaps the fastest job of defeating one's own argument I've seen on DP.

If that's your take on history sure. But I don't think the Germans won WWI or WWII.

It is funny though. Especially since Gill was the one who came out of the box with the link I needed to destroy both of you.
 
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