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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

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    Why let the bears have all the fun? Maybe we can round a bunch of them up, release them into a city, and the rest of us can hunt them down with sniper rifles and such. Make a game out of it. How many authoritative statists can you shoot? Each one you kill brings stability and longevity to your rights and liberties.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Honestly? Smoking should be illegal. I smoke. I'll probably die from it. I know that, but I'm hooked. Smoking is so hazardous to one's health that I know the only reason it's a legal substance is because of powerful farm lobbies AND the ever-growing tax revenue it generates. It's a horrible habit.

    The more places they ban it, the closer to illegal it gets. I don't care if they ban it outside because it absolutely positively should be illegal. And people who don't smoke shouldn't have to smell it -- shouldn't have to get it in/on their clothing and in their hair.

    As to banning it in private restaurants/bars, that's an infringement on rights that I find obnoxious. "This is a smoking establishment. Don't smoke? Don't come in." As to those who say, "What about the employees?" I say, "Don't smoke? Don't work here." It's all a political game. No one is going to defend one's right to smoke anywhere. Except smokers. I can't say as I blame them.
    i believe it shouldn't be allowed where the audience is captive....other than that, i don't care. i can say that as a former smoker, i wouldn't enter a restaurant where smoking was allowed, but it should be up to the owner.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Public spaces though... I don't think you should have that right. It's shared space and I should be able to enjoy the park with my partner and children (if I had any) without feeling the need to move, or suffer through the stench of ignorant smokers.
    If that's the case, I want a ban on fat people in revealing clothing, loud music, unleashed dogs, food, unsupervised children, etc.

    The list is very long of **** that I want banned in the park.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If that's the case, I want a ban on fat people in revealing clothing, loud music, unleashed dogs, food, unsupervised children, etc.

    The list is very long of **** that I want banned in the park.
    Can we ban hippies please! I'm tired of them banging on their drums in the park and they smell BAD. Seriously, these jerks need to bathe. I hate sitting in the park reading and have a group of these noisy, smelly, inconsiderate bastards come walking by. I shouldn't be momentarily inconvenienced like that; let's make a law!

    Also, can we ban Scientologists from public too?
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Yay for big government nannies.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can we ban hippies please! I'm tired of them banging on their drums in the park and they smell BAD. Seriously, these jerks need to bathe. I hate sitting in the park reading and have a group of these noisy, smelly, inconsiderate bastards come walking by. I shouldn't be momentarily inconvenienced like that; let's make a law!

    Also, can we ban Scientologists from public too?
    Absolutely, we shouldn't have cults(including hippies) considered religions.

    Lets also ban people, from everywhere.
    Geesh I hate people.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Geesh I hate people.
    I endorse this statement! People are stupid and smelly and a huge inconvenience! Kill all humans! (god I love Bender).
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm a non-smoker and a doctor too (heheh, we didn't specify medical doctor), I am definitely against this law. It acts against the people and freedom of choice. Tobacco is legal, that's all there is to it. These sorts of laws are unjust, and overstep the boundaries of government. We are free to make the choice to smoke or not to smoke. In public places like parks it can briefly smell bad as you walk by a smoker; but that's the worst of it. We can't start legislating on slight annoyances, we'll end up with so many laws that all of us will be doing something illegal at any given time. You can talk about being "poisoned", but the brief exposure isn't going to do much harm. You're taking well more damage just by being outside than you are by passing by a smoker. I think we should try to be less drama queens about certain things, pretending that some smoker is causing our death because we were exposed to diffuse smoke for 1 second. That's when we start loosing rational and logical thought. If you really don't like it, than you have to push to make it illegal. But as it remains legal, I see little to no rightful authority to prevent people from smoking outside.
    Alcohol is legal too but people aren't allowed to drink in the streets. There are assigned locations where it's acceptable for people to partake in alcohol consumption and public parks aren't one of them. (Mind you, I've lived in countries where people can drink in the streets and I found it to my liking. Just demonstrating that there is a precedent.) I don't agree in this case with placing restrictions on private businesses or people's homes, but in terms of public spaces I don't have a problem. No one is saying smokers can't smoke, but they can't do it around non-smokers in spares that are shared. With private establishments, I can choose not go into ones that allow smoking; whereas, parks are shared and they are the outdoors.

    It isn't just about getting cancer. People have allergies to cigarette smoke (myself included) and a minute's worth of exposure is enough to trigger sniffles, so please don't lecture me about loss of logical and rational thought. Air pollution is a problem in cities but it is fairly dilute compared to the smoke that comes out of some jerk's mouth who decides to light up mere feet away from my friend and I as we are leaning on a railing watching the water. Why should I have to move because some jerk has no consideration for others?

    The government wouldn't be getting petititoned to create these laws if smokers were more considerate, and if there weren't blatant health hazards attached to second hand smoke.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It isn't just about getting cancer. People have allergies to cigarette smoke (myself included) and a minute's worth of exposure is enough to trigger sniffles, so please don't lecture me about loss of logical and rational thought. Air pollution is a problem in cities but it is fairly dilute compared to the smoke that comes out of some jerk's mouth who decides to light up mere feet away from my friend and I as we are leaning on a railing watching the water. Why should I have to move because some jerk has no consideration for others?
    I'm very considerate of others.
    I don't smoke around other people and I don't toss my butts on the ground but in a trash can, after I'm sure the coal is extinguished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The government wouldn't be getting petititoned to create these laws if smokers were more considerate, and if there weren't blatant health hazards attached to second hand smoke.
    The sun is more dangerous than second hand smoke.
    We should ban people from going outside during daylight hours.
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