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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Agreed.

    My thought is, smoking bans in these public areas (allowing for designated smoking areas) will reduce the said littering.


    I disagree. while it may, I think it's to draconian. Prohibition did not solve drinking issues.

    Punish the criminals, not the law abiding folk.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I disagree. while it may, I think it's to draconian. Prohibition did not solve drinking issues.

    Punish the criminals, not the law abiding folk.
    Keep in mind, i am not advocating tobacco prohibition of any kind; only to require those who wish to engage in that particular activity to act responsibly. Previously in a thread, i stated that i am not allowed to smoke paperless joints and drink beers in the middle of Time Square. Not only am i not allowed, i would not want to on the basis of respect. There are places where these behaviors are perfectly acceptable.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Keep in mind, i am not advocating tobacco prohibition of any kind; only to require those who wish to engage in that particular activity to act responsibly. Previously in a thread, i stated that i am not allowed to smoke paperless joints and drink beers in the middle of Time Square. Not only am i not allowed, i would not want to on the basis of respect. There are places where these behaviors are perfectly acceptable.


    WE used to be able to brown bag it.


    What improved by stopping it?


    City revenue.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    WE used to be able to brown bag it.

    What improved by stopping it?

    City revenue.
    Bar revenue increases and there are less people drinking in the middle of the street with glass containers. There is always a viable alternative: do it anyways.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Bar revenue increases and there are less people drinking in the middle of the street with glass containers. There is always a viable alternative: do it anyways.


    That's actually a crock. There was an initial hit, however, there was little change as folks like to drink. The only difference is the litter one, one that could be handled with existing laws.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's actually a crock. There was an initial hit
    To what? Liquor stores maybe. I would be willing to bet that the sales of flasks really took off.

    however, there was little change as folks like to drink. The only difference is the litter one, one that could be handled with existing laws.
    You can't have cops sit everywhere.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I never stated that it did. Do you understand the meaning of hypocrisy, or will i have to define it for you



    You are on quite a roll Riv
    ****ing seriously? You're going to go there? You actually want to get into a discussion on how the word hypocrisy is commonly used? THAT is your deflection? That's a poor one.


    The fact that other people litter does not have any significance regarding this discussion.
    It does when you attempt to demonize an entire group of people for littering while ignoring the fact that people from all walks of life do it. You cannot sit there and call smokers - as a group - irresponsible for littering when non-smokers - as a group - litter even MORE. If you hadn't made such a generalization and hadn't attempted to continue to validate it, then I wouldn't have chimed in. But you cannot single out smokers for littering and use that as some sole tactic for banning smoking while ignoring all the other littering and sources of it.

    This is simply a discussion in which your opinion is meaningless.
    It is as meaningless as yours.

    Wow.. so in Texas, cig buts account for 13% of the litter. Guess that means that 87% of the litter can be attributed to non-smoking activities.

    Yet you want to demonize smokers and call them irresponsible. I call that hypocrisy since you're a member of the group that actually does the majority of the littering. You can call that whatever the **** you want.

    Litterers are the issue, not smokers. So try focusing on the correct issue.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    To what? Liquor stores maybe. I would be willing to bet that the sales of flasks really took off.



    You can't have cops sit everywhere.


    No you can't however if it's a 5k hit with mandatory community service. and you started handing em out, you'd get the desired result.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    No you can't however if it's a 5k hit with mandatory community service. and you started handing em out, you'd get the desired result.
    Now you are talking draconian!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Now you are talking draconian!



    Why? you still have your freedom to enjoy a legal product, just though if you are irresponsible with your waste, you will be hammered.
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