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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Though, of course, the liberal idiots who want to ban tobacco smoking on the grounds of personal freedom for passive smokers, also would want pot legalised - for reasons of personal freedom of course!
    You're too young to know who this is, but Steve Martin had a great line about smoking:

    Mind if I smoke?

    No. Mind if I fart?

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Smokers are just one of the 'witches' hunted down by liberal-left twunts.

    And I come on so heavy with that remark because whilst the likes of motorists, airliner passengers or smokers are treated as lepers, crime skyrockets and educational standards go to pot.

    Mind, the public must like this misdirected energy - they voted for it!
    Conservatives support the no smoking ban, too. And they've certainly done more their share of legislating morality and nanny laws. I think I should know since I live in one of the most conservative states in the union.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    Boo hoo hoo. Sniffle.

    Get over it. Smokers are annoying, and I support any law that pisses them off on that principle alone. If you want to smoke, smoke alone around no one else. Even in "outdoor" areas, it becomes more than annoying, They stink up the public areas with their filthy habits.
    And it is people like you that allows big government to continue. Don't come running and crying about how your favorite sport was deemed "too dangerous" and hence became illegal. Because that is exactly where this country is headed.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You're too young to know who this is, but Steve Martin had a great line about smoking:

    Mind if I smoke?

    No. Mind if I fart?
    Simple answer to his reply: Nope. I can just move upwind. ...oh wait...can't non-smokers do the same in Times Square?
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Vancouver just did this... banned smoking in parks, beaches, boardwalks, etc. Don't understand why they aren't just banning smoking altogether. Why bother with the pretense? Or maybe that is the ultimate goal and they're just being gradual. I mean, even if someone smokes in their home, a lot of people are renters in apartment complexes, and the smoke goes down the halls, or to floors above and beside if people are doing it on balconies. Wherever there are smokers there are always going to be non-smokers somewhere in the vicinity to make the rule excusable.

    I have to say, as a non-smoker and doctor I am personally biased in favour of this law. I hate having to share public spaces with smokers, even after I am making it clear to them that their smoking is bothering me. It is always I who has to get up and move, just because I don't want to be poisoned. I can even tolerate pot smoke way more than I can the poisonous stench of tobacco. If people are so hooked on nicotine, maybe they should administer it more directly, like with a patch, so that people nearby aren't getting dosed with carcinogens.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Vancouver just did this... banned smoking in parks, beaches, boardwalks, etc. Don't understand why they aren't just banning smoking altogether. Why bother with the pretense? Or maybe that is the ultimate goal and they're just being gradual. I mean, even if someone smokes in their home, a lot of people are renters in apartment complexes, and the smoke goes down the halls, or to floors above and beside if people are doing it on balconies. Wherever there are smokers there are always going to be non-smokers somewhere in the vicinity to make the rule excusable.
    Oh they're starting to ban that also....

    Smoking Ban Hits Home. Truly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I have to say, as a non-smoker and doctor I am personally biased in favour of this law. I hate having to share public spaces with smokers, even after I am making it clear to them that their smoking is bothering me. It is always I who has to get up and move, just because I don't want to be poisoned. I can even tolerate pot smoke way more than I can the poisonous stench of tobacco. If people are so hooked on nicotine, maybe they should administer it more directly, like with a patch, so that people nearby aren't getting dosed with carcinogens.
    I understand that you hate to share public spaces with smokers. I can even respect that. But smokers have rights also. I would rather them out right make it illegal than do what they are doing now. Because as it stands with it being legal they should have no right to tell you where you can/can't smoke...except on federal property, that I don't mind them telling me no. But when it comes to public property or a private buisness? That is an invasion of privacy and rights as far as I am concerned.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I understand that you hate to share public spaces with smokers. I can even respect that. But smokers have rights also. I would rather them out right make it illegal than do what they are doing now. Because as it stands with it being legal they should have no right to tell you where you can/can't smoke...except on federal property, that I don't mind them telling me no. But when it comes to public property or a private buisness? That is an invasion of privacy and rights as far as I am concerned.
    I don't support the war on drugs. They should therefore either legalize everything, or criminalize everything. Call me consistent. Tobacco smokers shouldn't have the right to poison me with their fumes if I can be arrested for possessing a joint and smoking it nearby them. In line with that, everyone should have the right to choose their own mode of self-destruction as that's what freedom means, but your rights end where mine begin. If you came into a park with a machine that pumped cyanide gas into the air you would be arrested instantly, yet it's okay for you to smoke a product which contains that and much more, and in proximity to others. The air quality in cities is bad enough as it is because of industry, but I should be able to enjoy a walk in relatively clean air without having to inhale noxious gases from nearby smokers.

    I agree you should be able to do what you want in your home, or in private businesses. Public spaces though... I don't think you should have that right. It's shared space and I should be able to enjoy the park with my partner and children (if I had any) without feeling the need to move, or suffer through the stench of ignorant smokers.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Simple answer to his reply: Nope. I can just move upwind. ...oh wait...can't non-smokers do the same in Times Square?
    Wind blows this way, wind blows that way... Time Square now has a huge pedestrian area with chairs and tables, and these bleachers. People hang out and people watch. Europeans come around and light up, pollute the air.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Smoking bans are utterly stupid, let businesses decide if they want smokers to smoke or not.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Bloomberg is a statist tyrant, this is all part of the incrementalism we warned about years ago.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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