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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This is where it gets complicated. Smoking is a choice made by an individual that is proven to have a serious negative impact on the health of others. Eating a peanut in someones presence can cause them a severe allergic reaction?
    I keep seeing this and keep shaking my head....

    Have a read....

    Davehitt.com: The EPA Report

    The ruling from the judge talked about in the Davehitt.com article

    In other words...the EPA's "study" on "passive smoking" is bullchit.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    When perfume can cause cancer then I'll care. Until then, apples and oranges. We're not talking about offensive body odours but a product containing hundreds of known and verified carcinogens. I shouldn't have to move because some jerk nearby wants to poison himself. If you want to consume poison then just go drink some, or snort it. Do it in any other way where I don't have to breathe your toxic and disgusting exhaled breath.
    BZZZZT!

    You stated, and I quote,

    It isn't just about getting cancer.
    You should notice what I responded to with my post. After the above, you went on to whine about allergies:

    People have allergies to cigarette smoke (myself included) and a minute's worth of exposure is enough to trigger sniffles, so please don't lecture me about loss of logical and rational thought.
    Sniffles? Seriously?

    People's cologne gives me ****ing migraines. MIGRAINES. And yet because you get sniffles you want smoking banned?

    Pahlease.

    Air pollution is a problem in cities but it is fairly dilute compared to the smoke that comes out of some jerk's mouth who decides to light up mere feet away from my friend and I as we are leaning on a railing watching the water. Why should I have to move because some jerk has no consideration for others?
    Because it's YOUR health. And YOUR health is YOUR responsibility. If the smoke bothers you, move.


    Yeah boo hoo I can't take responsibility because I don't want to walk down the street walking behind someone who is puffing on a cancer stick. How about YOU take personal responsibility for YOUR addiction and smoke at home where people who actually value healthy lifestyle won't have to smell your noxious fumes?
    Don't walk behind someone smoking. Be responsible for your own health, not dependent on the govt to mandate it for you.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The same is true of skiing.
    Not at all. Everyone who steps on a hill voluntarily takes the same risk.

    When people light up in a crowed public space like Times Square, they are selfishly risking the health of others.

    I will say this, from my own observation, the majority of American smokers I encounter these days are more than polite. They go out of their way to make sure the smoke isn't blowing in the non-smokers direction--very respectful and courteous.

    The Europeans, not so much.

    On the rare occasion, when a smoker goes out of his/her way to be a loud jackass, blowing smoking my way, daring me to say something, I just take comfort in knowing the demoralizing death that will come sooner than they think.

    Here's a question for conservatives: Should health issues directly related to smoking be covered under Medicare? Should life-long smokers get free preventative Meds and life-sustaining treatment like oxygen tanks? If, at age 65, a doctor examines a person and determines that smoking is a direct cause to his major health issues, then the financial burden should fall on him.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Not at all. Everyone who steps on a hill voluntarily takes the same risk.

    When people light up in a crowed public space like Times Square, they are selfishly risking the health of others.

    I will say this, from my own observation, the majority of American smokers I encounter these days are more than polite. They go out of their way to make sure the smoke isn't blowing in the non-smokers direction--very respectful and courteous.

    The Europeans, not so much.

    On the rare occasion, when a smoker goes out of his/her way to be a loud jackass, blowing smoking my way, daring me to say something, I just take comfort in knowing the demoralizing death that will come sooner than they think.

    Here's a question for conservatives: Should health issues directly related to smoking be covered under Medicare? Should life-long smokers get free preventative Meds and life-sustaining treatment like oxygen tanks? If, at age 65, a doctor examines a person and determines that smoking is a direct cause to his major health issues, then the financial burden should fall on him.
    Medicare shouldn't cover anything directly related to self causing medical problems.

    Obesity related causes, smoking, riding motorcycles, being OTR truck drivers, eating foods high in saturated fats.
    If you restrict it down, we can completely save Medicare.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Medicare shouldn't cover anything directly related to self causing medical problems.

    Obesity related causes, smoking, riding motorcycles, being OTR truck drivers, eating foods high in saturated fats.
    If you restrict it down, we can completely save Medicare.
    If I am not covered, I am not paying. When will I get my refund?

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    If I am not covered, I am not paying. When will I get my refund?
    Of course not, it's for your own good or so they tell you.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Medicare shouldn't cover anything directly related to self causing medical problems.
    But it does.

    Obesity related causes, smoking, riding motorcycles, being OTR truck drivers, eating foods high in saturated fats.
    If you restrict it down, we can completely save Medicare.
    Perhaps.

    Why motorcycles and OTR accidents, why not all car accidents? Sports cars are higher risk and so are SUVs. Boating accidents are usually more serious. I don't think you can pick and choose--unless they're intoxicated or trying some Jackass-type stunt, then accidents are accidents.

    Remember, getting on the motorcycle isn't what kills you... it's being thrown off the bike at 60mph.

    Obesity is closer to smoking, in that doctors can show direct links to health issues.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    But it does.
    But it shouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Perhaps.

    Why motorcycles and OTR accidents, why not all car accidents? Sports cars are higher risk and so are SUVs. Boating accidents are usually more serious. I don't think you can pick and choose--unless they're intoxicated or trying some Jackass-type stunt, then accidents are accidents.

    Remember, getting on the motorcycle isn't what kills you... it's being thrown off the bike at 60mph.

    Obesity is closer to smoking, in that doctors can show direct links to health issues.
    OTR drivers develop back injuries directly related to their job.
    Motorcycle riders expressly expose themselves to unwarranted risk of bodily injury.

    I want to make sure the list is full of self caused problems so we don't act all prejudiced against one group but all people.
    All people engage in some potentially dangerous acts.

    We shouldn't keep beating up the smoker boogie man.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Though, of course, the liberal idiots who want to ban tobacco smoking on the grounds of personal freedom for passive smokers, also would want pot legalised - for reasons of personal freedom of course!
    You better not be painting me with that broad brush... I don't support criminalization of tobacco (for now) but it should be kept in your own home (providing you don't have captive children at home)
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post

    I understand that you hate to share public spaces with smokers. I can even respect that. But smokers have rights also. I would rather them out right make it illegal than do what they are doing now. Because as it stands with it being legal they should have no right to tell you where you can/can't smoke...except on federal property, that I don't mind them telling me no. But when it comes to public property or a private buisness? That is an invasion of privacy and rights as far as I am concerned.
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