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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, because this is the real world implications of aggregated populace in a free society. This is a consequence of freedom on the scale it is supposed to exist on in this country. We must be able to handle the consequences and responsibilities of freedom if we wish to remain free. Of course, the adult and responsible thing to do if a smoker lights up next to you and you really do not like it is to walk away. The bitchy, me me me first thing to do is to raise a stink and initiate force against the other person.
    Because your freedom to smoke trumps my freedom from smoke.

    Values question: Would it be acceptable for someone to shoot up nicotine in public? Not that this is something remotely common (or even possible); i just want to gauge your perception of rights.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Says the person who said he would pistol whip someone who took the ciggy out of his mouth.
    Don't steal my property and we won't have problems. As I said, I won't initiate force, but I will reply with it if force is used against me.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Because your freedom to smoke trumps my freedom from smoke.

    Values question: Would it be acceptable for someone to shoot up nicotine in public? Not that this is something remotely common (or even possible); i just want to gauge your perception of rights.
    You're outside, what sort of "freedom from smoke" is there? I ride a motorcycle, I've been caught behind those obnoxious diesel trucks people make to blow as much black smoke as possible. It ain't cool, but there are idiots out there and there ain' t no law against it. So I have to learn to deal with it. That's all there is to it. There's lots of great things to say on the individual level; but we must understand that there will be aggregated consequences because of it.

    And if someone wanted to shoot up nicotine in public, who am I to say no? It's a sure way to kill yourself, but ignoring that and assuming someone would be relatively ok; then fine. If tobacco and nicotine are legal; then they are legal and there are ramifications because of it. People aren't going to behave the way I want them to; but just because they behave in different ways doesn't mean I get to dictate to them how to behave. We have to deal with the fact that there will be jerks and the likes in our populace. It's life. We either fight it by reducing our freedom and enacting government force against people, or we accept it and deal with it as a consequence of freedom. I'll take the latter.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Smokers need to start a PAC and raise some money.
    Drunk drivers too.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Drunk drivers too.
    They also no longer have the money to do so due to excessive fines and punishments associated with DUI. Thanks MADD...flipping PETA of the drunk driving world.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Drunk drivers too.
    There is absolutely no connection between smoking, a legal activity, and drunk driving. Stop being a dick.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Sorry, but yes they do. Millions of people who lived and worked in buildings with smokers were getting cancer from the second hand smoke and dying. Thats a fact. Who knows where that extra cigarette tax really goes, I don't, do you? Because one thing is for sure, the insurance rates still went up. So do you think a higher tax on fast food, sodas and twinkies would cover the cost of the chronically obese medical care as well? Even if it did, which it wouldn't, we would all still have to pay the higher tax plus the increased insurance rates to cover their medical costs. Not to mention the fast food and soda business would object to the government intrusion on their business.

    You've heard the old saying, an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure? Programs that help people quit smoking or lose weight or get off drugs are a helluva lot cheaper than paying for their medical costs or incarcerating them.
    The evidence contradicts your claim.

    Yes I do know where cigarette taxes go.
    They go to programs like SCHIP, where high middle income families get subsidized medical insurance for their children.
    Irresponsible if you ask me.

    Not all prevention is less expensive.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There is absolutely no connection between smoking, a legal activity, and drunk driving. Stop being a dick.
    No connection, but there are parallels.

    *addiction
    *selfishness
    *public safely
    *and families have to live with the consequences. Something you should think about.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No connection, but there are parallels.

    *addiction
    *selfishness
    *public safely
    *and families have to live with the consequences. Something you should think about.
    The same is true of skiing.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The same is true of skiing.
    Or sex, food, a myriad of things but we intend to stamp out smoking.
    It the evil de jure.
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