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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    If you are in an area where people are not smoking.... Don't smoke there.
    Bull****. If I am outside I will get a few feet away from people and smoke. If they don't like it they can move. If I am with a group I will ask and if someone minds, I'll step away to smoke.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry but smokers don't cost anyone anything more.
    Smokers tend to save people money through increases in taxes and being less burdened by the retirement social welfare system.
    Sorry, but yes they do. Millions of people who lived and worked in buildings with smokers were getting cancer from the second hand smoke and dying. Thats a fact. Who knows where that extra cigarette tax really goes, I don't, do you? Because one thing is for sure, the insurance rates still went up. So do you think a higher tax on fast food, sodas and twinkies would cover the cost of the chronically obese medical care as well? Even if it did, which it wouldn't, we would all still have to pay the higher tax plus the increased insurance rates to cover their medical costs. Not to mention the fast food and soda business would object to the government intrusion on their business.

    You've heard the old saying, an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure? Programs that help people quit smoking or lose weight or get off drugs are a helluva lot cheaper than paying for their medical costs or incarcerating them.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not a matter of "smoking in front of others". It's a matter of someone who smokes, happens to be in a public place and chooses to smoke. Same with eating a hotdog, or walking their dog, or running around with screaming children. Do you ask the disgusting sloppy eater why they believe eating in front of others is so special? Geez.
    The fat they're chewing doesn't transfer to me.


    It always pissed me off to no ****ing end when I worked on the river and at lunch, I would walk off - downwind - of everyone and light up. Sure enough, some ****ing guest would decide to come and sit down near me to eat and then get pissy with ME about my smoking near them. Mother ****ing hell. I couldn't tell THEM to **** off because they were guests of my company, but I ****ing hell wanted to. I would go out of my way to stay away from them and they would go out of their way to come near me and bitch about the smoke.
    Get a patch or try some nic gum.

    So yeah, if you're in a public area and you see someone smoking, and smoking bothers you... don't ****ing go near them. Why is that so hard for people to get? Why do people think they need the government to do that for them?
    I never complain about smokers doing their business in a designated smoking area. And why should I care that there are fewer and fewer of these areas.

    Comparisons are hard--Coffee, alcohol, unhealthy foods, sodas, these things don't transfer to the person sitting nearby. I'm not going to have the smell of your unhealthy diet on my clothes when I get home. (except grilled onions). Your shots of tequila with a beer back have no effect on my liver. And eat all the fried foods you want, because it can't touch my heart.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Bull****. If I am outside I will get a few feet away from people and smoke. If they don't like it they can move. If I am with a group I will ask and if someone minds, I'll step away to smoke.
    My statement was a bit rash. But none the less, you exemplify personal responsibility of the smoker.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The fat they're chewing doesn't transfer to me.
    It can still be offensive.

    Get a patch or try some nic gum.
    Nope. You just get the **** away from me. Don't like the smell of smoke? Don't ****ing sit next to someone smoking.


    Comparisons are hard--Coffee, alcohol, unhealthy foods, sodas, these things don't transfer to the person sitting nearby. I'm not going to have the smell of your unhealthy diet on my clothes when I get home. (except grilled onions). Your shots of tequila with a beer back have no effect on my liver. And eat all the fried foods you want, because it can't touch my heart.
    Don't sit near me when I'm smoking, and you won't smell my smoke. Pretty ****ing simple.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Don't sit near me when I'm smoking, and you won't smell my smoke. Pretty ****ing simple.
    This is the attitude that got smoking banned in restaurants and the large city bar scene.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    They have banned smoking on the Beaches in San Diego. They also banned all alcohol as well.

    And Sea community has band smoking on the streets and in you own back yard if a neighbor complains about the smell.

    And for those who pay attention the one who posted that to calorie police were coming was not far off.

    Soda have come under attack because the kids are too fat.

    One day when you swipe member card at the grocery store you will be told you're over weight and are not allowed to buy donuts, os you just bought a 12 pack og Bud yesterday you don't need another one this soon, sorry but it's for your own good.

    Belmont CA. is home to America’s most restrictive secondhand smoking law, which now makes it illegal to light up in an apartment or condo that shares a wall, ceiling, or floor with another unit. Violators face a $100 fine from the city, as well as eviction if smoking violates their lease agreement.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This is the attitude that got smoking banned in restaurants and the large city bar scene.
    No, the attitude that got smoking banned in PRIVATE businesses is the big government, nanny-staters, self-righteous, no-personal-responsibility, everything-is-someone-elses-fault, and the govt-must-protect-us attitude.

    In other words, the ****wads.

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why, i am just standing there. You have decided to pollute my area, therefore you should have a bit more respect for my rights.
    I haven't infringed upon any of your rights. I would have been freely using a public area the same as the rest and engaging in a legal activity. You're the one with the holier-than-thou problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    If i was to politely ask you to not smoke in my presence, and your reply was **** you buddy, i guarantee my next reaction would not be respectful. If you cannot handle this, well i guess that's just tough rocks.
    Well then, you're getting arrested for assault and that's the consequences of your actions.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    This is the attitude that got smoking banned in restaurants and the large city bar scene.
    No, the attitude that got smoking banned from private establishments was the holier-than-thou pussy attitude of people who couldn't accept personal choice. There is no just reason to infringe upon property rights the way that anti-smoking POS law went ahead and did. If people can't accept the responsibilities of freedom, I say get out of the gene pool.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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