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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I go to the park and walking trail near my home with my kids regularly.

    These people are non smokers and I have to put up with their **** regularly.
    Unleashed dogs, dog ****, litter, their nasty obeseness.

    I'll pitch a bitch on here but largely I have to deal with their ****ed up crap and actually help clean up the litter.
    Why?
    Because I'm not a jackass like them.

    That's life and screwing around with smokers because of some negligible harm, is wasteful.
    I do agree that we are often forced to deal with things we deem annoying. However, annoying is not responsible for 400,000+ deaths per year. When one partakes in an activity, they have a personal responsibility to keep the affects associated with it to themselves.


    P.S. I want everyone to know that i am not advocating people get violent. It was just a way to prove a point that violence can easily erupt over something as simple as smoking cigarettes.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Agreed.



    Why do you believe that smoking in front of others is so special? If you want to **** your lungs up, be my guest. There is simply no reason for you to have to pollute the area i was standing at. With that in mind, if i went to a park with my child (i dont have one) and people were smoking weed/cigarettes/crack at that park, yes i would most likely leave and not ask them to stop.
    It's not a matter of "smoking in front of others". It's a matter of someone who smokes, happens to be in a public place and chooses to smoke. Same with eating a hotdog, or walking their dog, or running around with screaming children. Do you ask the disgusting sloppy eater why they believe eating in front of others is so special? Geez.

    It always pissed me off to no ****ing end when I worked on the river and at lunch, I would walk off - downwind - of everyone and light up. Sure enough, some ****ing guest would decide to come and sit down near me to eat and then get pissy with ME about my smoking near them. Mother ****ing hell. I couldn't tell THEM to **** off because they were guests of my company, but I ****ing hell wanted to. I would go out of my way to stay away from them and they would go out of their way to come near me and bitch about the smoke.

    So yeah, if you're in a public area and you see someone smoking, and smoking bothers you... don't ****ing go near them. Why is that so hard for people to get? Why do people think they need the government to do that for them?

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I do agree that we are often forced to deal with things we deem annoying. However, annoying is not responsible for 400,000+ deaths per year. When one partakes in an activity, they have a personal responsibility to keep the affects associated with it to themselves.


    P.S. I want everyone to know that i am not advocating people get violent. It was just a way to prove a point that violence can easily erupt over something as simple as smoking cigarettes.
    Don't count on that 400k number to be accurate.
    It includes people that would of died, whether or not, they smoked or were around smoke.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry but smokers don't cost anyone anything more.
    Smokers tend to save people money through increases in taxes and being less burdened by the retirement social welfare system.
    Tobacco related illness is responsible for more than 400,000 deaths per year. The health care costs associated are very much real.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't count on that 400k number to be accurate.
    It includes people that would of died, whether or not, they smoked or were around smoke.
    What would you consider accurate?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Tobacco related illness is responsible for more than 400,000 deaths per year. The health care costs associated are very much real.
    "If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs."

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not a matter of "smoking in front of others". It's a matter of someone who smokes, happens to be in a public place and chooses to smoke. Same with eating a hotdog, or walking their dog, or running around with screaming children. Do you ask the disgusting sloppy eater why they believe eating in front of others is so special? Geez.

    It always pissed me off to no ****ing end when I worked on the river and at lunch, I would walk off - downwind - of everyone and light up. Sure enough, some ****ing guest would decide to come and sit down near me to eat and then get pissy with ME about my smoking near them. Mother ****ing hell. I couldn't tell THEM to **** off because they were guests of my company, but I ****ing hell wanted to. I would go out of my way to stay away from them and they would go out of their way to come near me and bitch about the smoke.

    So yeah, if you're in a public area and you see someone smoking, and smoking bothers you... don't ****ing go near them. Why is that so hard for people to get? Why do people think they need the government to do that for them?
    I agree Riv, but in my made up example (maybe it was not clearly stated as such), i was standing there with my kid and somebody came near us and lit up. Which goes hand in hand with my position that i would not even want to smoke in the direct presence of others. I have never smoked anything in front of my parents, and do not excessivly drink in their pressence as i know it would bother them (im 27). I try to apply this same behavior when i partake in something that i think will be offensive to others.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What would you consider accurate?
    I really couldn't tell you.
    There are several unreported causes of lung cancer and other associated diseases.

    Gasoline is carcinogenic, almost all of us pump it into our cars and breathe the fumes over the course of our entire life.
    How many smokers with lung cancer had it develop because of that?
    No one can answer that because that information is not calculable.
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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    "If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs."

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    LOL, i like your style! With that said, i am not arguing for smoking to be illegal, or even non existant. Only that people take responsibility for their actions. If you are in an area where people are not smoking.... Don't smoke there.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Smokers Beware! Proposed New York City Smoking Ban Targets Outdoor Facilities

    I don't smoke weed in public.

    Not because i am afraid of getting caught and put in jail (i spent 47 days in cook county jail, probably the biggest hell hole in the nation for a felony assault charge) when i was 21.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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