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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki View Post
    Instead of having a group of people decide who will get to live or die, gawd that is a horrible thought, why doesn't the government put a cap on what a person can sue a doctor, make insurance companies non-profit, stop allowing illegals to receive free health care, and loosen the rules allowing nurses and aides to provide some of the simple services? This would decrease costs and not turn into a hitler nation where a group of people get to say I'm not going to extend your life because I want to pay some teacher a better salary. The thought is just sickening, reminds me of a court deciding if a person should get the death penalty and these people haven't done a crime but setenced to die.
    If a better education results in a higher standard of living and better health and longevity, than it may be the right investment. Its a sucky decision, but the fact is those decisions are already being made, so its not something new we are discussing here.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If a better education results in a higher standard of living and better health and longevity, than it may be the right investment. Its a sucky decision, but the fact is those decisions are already being made, so its not something new we are discussing here.
    I'm speechless...I feel there should be no price on life.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki View Post
    I'm speechless...I feel there should be no price on life.
    This is the way I look at it. You have limited resources and you want to save as much life as possible with it, right? Because while life is priceless, more life is still better than less life. So, if you channel your resources to something that saves the most life, you have done the best you can. However, if you channel your resources in such a way that by saving one life, three (arbitrary number, but using it to make a point) lives are wasted, you have done harm.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is the way I look at it. You have limited resources and you want to save as much life as possible with it, right? Because while life is priceless, more life is still better than less life. So, if you channel your resources to something that saves the most life, you have done the best you can. However, if you channel your resources in such a way that by saving one life, three (arbitrary number, but using it to make a point) lives are wasted, you have done harm.
    I truly understand your view and understand what you are saying. I just wish they could lower medical costs so no one would have to make a decision like this. Seems there are steps that would help so much. Maybe that is something I should write my representatives about.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki View Post
    I truly understand your view and understand what you are saying. I just wish they could lower medical costs so no one would have to make a decision like this. Seems there are steps that would help so much. Maybe that is something I should write my representatives about.
    In y situation it is not so much about money but it is about the availability of a heart. There is only so many of the things around ya know?

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki View Post
    I truly understand your view and understand what you are saying. I just wish they could lower medical costs so no one would have to make a decision like this. Seems there are steps that would help so much. Maybe that is something I should write my representatives about.
    It would be nice. I have seen studies on tort reform though and they only seem to make a 3-5% difference on costs. While any lowering is good, we need to revolutionize the system if we are going to see major positive change.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    In y situation it is not so much about money but it is about the availability of a heart. There is only so many of the things around ya know?
    Yes you are right, just can't imagine being the person that tells the mother they are going to let her baby die cuz they would rather save somebody else.




    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It would be nice. I have seen studies on tort reform though and they only seem to make a 3-5% difference on costs. While any lowering is good, we need to revolutionize the system if we are going to see major positive change.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki View Post
    Yes you are right, just can't imagine being the person that tells the mother they are going to let her baby die cuz they would rather save somebody else.
    It sucks, I agree and I am glad I am not the one who has to make that kind of choice. It would be like a military commander who has to choose who is going to die in the next assault.

    However, the way I see it is that I would rather have to make the choice between who's life to save over whether to save a life or protect an insurance company's profits. The second one truly is putting a price on life.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It would be nice. I have seen studies on tort reform though and they only seem to make a 3-5% difference on costs. While any lowering is good, we need to revolutionize the system if we are going to see major positive change.
    I agree we do need to revolutionize the system but needs to be done with more thought on the impacts of the changes. What concerns me the most is we are allowing the government handle this and they really haven't done that well with VA or medicare. I can't imagine it getting any better anytime soon. I appreciate the talk with you about this...never realized this was going on until today.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It sucks, I agree and I am glad I am not the one who has to make that kind of choice. It would be like a military commander who has to choose who is going to die in the next assault.

    However, the way I see it is that I would rather have to make the choice between who's life to save over whether to save a life or protect an insurance company's profits. The second one truly is putting a price on life.
    AMEN megaprogman, it really is sick how the insurance companies are benfitting from this.

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