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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Maggie,

    It's the individuals choice to go or not.
    If they're paying for it, of course.

    If they're not, it's up to whoever is paying for it.
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Maggie, you don't know what I can afford.

    It's a family decision, not Mommy Dearest DC, and illustrates another reason why government should not be involved with health care.

    Just wait until they get your DNA and can tell you what problems you are likely to encounter... no, no, no... keep these bastards away from life and death decisions of this kind.

    It's not their business.



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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If you can afford it, why not spend that money to stay alive?
    Stay alive for what? So I can breath? Get real, Mr. Vicchio. There's quality -- there's quantity. You want to be kept alive in la-la-land on morphine? No, thank you!!
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, get off it. It makes absolutely no sense to spend $1 million to keep someone alive for the next three months. Especially, if I might add, if it's me. We spend sooo much money postponing death that could be put to better use. When people have a terminal illness, they aren't even told that unless they specifically ask. They just keep getting chemotherapy/whatever at $10,000 per treatment 'til their poor lil' bodies finally succumb to the poisons they're pumping them full of. Give them comfort care. Let them go, for God's sake.
    And dont' forget doctors make money off those poisons. Talk about a conflict of interest!

    As an RN student I know better when a doctor flim flams a family that their loved ones needs chemo when they are terminal. I had this happen to an aunt that was beyond hope with a brain tumor. The family got suckered and the doctor made more money for his golf outings. Fortunately the scumbag died shortly after her death in a motorcycle accident.

    My aunt died a horrible undignified death when they could have let her live out the rest of her life in dignity. She developed all kinds of nasty side effects of the chemo including disgusting oral infections such as thrush etc. etc. Probably was puking her guts out and had constant diarrhea too.
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, get off it. It makes absolutely no sense to spend $1 million to keep someone alive for the next three months. Especially, if I might add, if it's me. We spend sooo much money postponing death that could be put to better use. When people have a terminal illness, they aren't even told that unless they specifically ask. They just keep getting chemotherapy/whatever at $10,000 per treatment 'til their poor lil' bodies finally succumb to the poisons they're pumping them full of. Give them comfort care. Let them go, for God's sake.
    Maggie..... I had a friend that was 26 YO. He was diagnosed with a brain tumor and given 6 months to live and was advised to accept it and not pursue treatment. His dad was a millionaire and could afford any and all treatments.

    My friend lived a pretty much normal life until age 31.… I’m sure he felt the 5 extra years were worth the price.

    Sometimes doctors are wrong.
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Maggie..... I had a friend that was 26 YO. He was diagnosed with a brain tumor and given 6 months to live and was advised to accept it and not pursue treatment. His dad was a millionaire and could afford any and all treatments.

    My friend lived a pretty much normal life until age 31.… I’m sure he felt the 5 extra years were worth the price.

    Sometimes doctors are wrong.
    Whether or not he felt that those 5 years were worth the money his father spent is not really the point. The question is whether those five years would be worth the cost to the state if he were not paying for it himself.
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Whether or not he felt that those 5 years were worth the money his father spent is not really the point. The question is whether those five years would be worth the cost to the state if he were not paying for it himself.
    What is your life worth?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    What is your life worth?
    To me and my friends/family, quite a lot.
    To the rest of society, something less.

    Rather than engaging in emotional reasoning, why not try to address my point?

    Imagine that someone on Medicaid is dying from a disease. There's a medicine that can treat the disease, but it's quite expensive. In which of these situations should Medicaid pay for the drug?

    1) The drug costs $1,000,000, but it will cure the person.
    2) The drug costs $25,000,000, but it will cure the person.
    3) The drug costs $1,000,000, and it only has a 10% chance of curing the person.
    4) The drug costs $1,000,000, and on average it will only extend life by 6 months.
    5) The drug costs $50,000 per month, but the person will live so long as they get it.

    I'd be interested to hear anyone's answers to this.
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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    To me and my friends/family, quite a lot.
    To the rest of society, something less.

    Rather than engaging in emotional reasoning, why not try to address my point?

    Imagine that someone on Medicaid is dying from a disease. There's a medicine that can treat the disease, but it's quite expensive. In which of these situations should Medicaid pay for the drug?

    1) The drug costs $1,000,000, but it will cure the person.
    2) The drug costs $25,000,000, but it will cure the person.
    3) The drug costs $1,000,000, and it only has a 10% chance of curing the person.
    4) The drug costs $1,000,000, and on average it will only extend life by 6 months.
    5) The drug costs $50,000 per month, but the person will live so long as they get it.

    I'd be interested to hear anyone's answers to this.
    Excellent post. From a philosophical point of view, all 5 of those questions are pertanent, but #4 is probably the one that's closest to real life. I'm not dodging the other questions though. #1 is tough, but I would definitely vote no on #2. People say that you can't put a price on human life, but we have to, otherwise things like cars might be illegal for the sake of safety. The fact is that cars increase wealth by allowing society to function, and in turn that wealth pays for health care, so one way or another, you have to put a price on human life.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Bill Kevorkian Gates on Death Panels

    Instead of having a group of people decide who will get to live or die, gawd that is a horrible thought, why doesn't the government put a cap on what a person can sue a doctor, make insurance companies non-profit, stop allowing illegals to receive free health care, and loosen the rules allowing nurses and aides to provide some of the simple services? This would decrease costs and not turn into a hitler nation where a group of people get to say I'm not going to extend your life because I want to pay some teacher a better salary. The thought is just sickening, reminds me of a court deciding if a person should get the death penalty and these people haven't done a crime but setenced to die.

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