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    Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    It appears free speech and criticism of the president and his policies are gone. So much for the constitution


    Townhall - Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare


    "There will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases."

    That sounds like a stern headmistress dressing down some sophomores who have been misbehaving. But it's actually from a letter sent Thursday from Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to Karen Ignagni, president of America's Health Insurance Plans -- the chief lobbyist for private health insurance companies.

    Sebelius objects to claims by health insurers that they are raising premiums because of increased costs imposed by the Obamacare law passed by Congress last March.

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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Another portion of this story says:
    "Congress shall make no law," reads the First Amendment, "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."

    Sebelius' approach is different: "zero tolerance" for dissent.
    This sounds like a little something I warned about over a year ago here, that being the way Obama has been following in the same direction as his pal Hugo Chavez with the take over of large portions of the economy and businesses in Venezuela.

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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It appears free speech and criticism of the president and his policies are gone. So much for the constitution


    Townhall - Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare


    "There will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases."

    That sounds like a stern headmistress dressing down some sophomores who have been misbehaving. But it's actually from a letter sent Thursday from Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to Karen Ignagni, president of America's Health Insurance Plans -- the chief lobbyist for private health insurance companies.

    Sebelius objects to claims by health insurers that they are raising premiums because of increased costs imposed by the Obamacare law passed by Congress last March.
    They should have read the bill. Who knows how much of our freedoms have been taken away by the passage of that piece of crap.
    From your link

    Sebelius also argues that "any premium increases will be moderated by out-of-pocket savings resulting from the law." But she's pretty vague about the numbers -- "up to $1 billion in 2013." Anyone who watches TV ads knows that "up to" can mean zero.

    As Time magazine's Karen Pickert points out, Sebelius ignores the fact that individual insurance plans cover different types of populations. So that government and "some" industry and academic experts think the new law will justify increases averaging 1 percent or 2 percent, they could justify much larger increases for certain plans.

    Or as Ignagni, the recipient of the letter, says, "It's a basic law of economics that additional benefits incur additional costs."

    But Sebelius has "zero tolerance" for that kind of thing. She promises to issue regulations to require "state or federal review of all potentially unreasonable rate increases" (which would presumably mean all rate increases).

    And there's a threat. "We will also keep track of insurers with a record of unjustified rate increases: those plans may be excluded from health insurance Exchanges in 2014."

    That's a significant date, the first year in which state insurance exchanges are slated to get a monopoly on the issuance of individual health insurance policies. Sebelius is threatening to put health insurers out of business in a substantial portion of the market if they state that Obamacare is boosting their costs
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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    I think wetting our pants and jumping at shadows and misinformation is unseemly. Perhaps we should try dealing in facts and seeking truth instead of these scare tactics those who oppose health care reform use all too often. Let's toughen up and try to deal with the truth for a change.






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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Do you guys really see this as a violation of someone's 1st Amendment rights? Thats ridiculous, all this is CLEARLY just this secretary informing a lobbying group that their efforts to do whatever they are doing are going to be responded to by her organization. As in, if this lobby group puts out something Heath and Human Services disagrees with, they will write or somehow deliver a response to both that lobby group and the public.

    You all are acting like a SWAT team is going to storm in and arrest this lobbyist for speaking against the government and shut down her operation. Here's a newflash, the government has the right to respond to criticism, make public statements, and correspond with individuals. There's no violation of her 1st amendment.

    Do you people even understand what "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" even means? The key word is "abridging" there's clearly no "abridging" going on here, and there's certainly no laws being made, but somehow its still a violation of the 1st amendment?

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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do you guys really see this as a violation of someone's 1st Amendment rights? Thats ridiculous, all this is CLEARLY just this secretary informing a lobbying group that their efforts to do whatever they are doing are going to be responded to by her organization. As in, if this lobby group puts out something Heath and Human Services disagrees with, they will write or somehow deliver a response to both that lobby group and the public.

    You all are acting like a SWAT team is going to storm in and arrest this lobbyist for speaking against the government and shut down her operation. Here's a newflash, the government has the right to respond to criticism, make public statements, and correspond with individuals. There's no violation of her 1st amendment.

    Do you people even understand what "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" even means? The key word is "abridging" there's clearly no "abridging" going on here, and there's certainly no laws being made, but somehow its still a violation of the 1st amendment?
    Shhhhh. . . . now don't try and stop a good fear mongering effort with anything like reasoning or facts.

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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Shhhhh. . . . now don't try and stop a good fear mongering effort with anything like reasoning or facts.
    This is insanity, I'm afraid to mock it as much as it deserves because I can't believe something can be so rediculous and out of touch with reality. There has to be something I'm missing in the OP's point because nothing can be that stupid.

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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do you guys really see this as a violation of someone's 1st Amendment rights? Thats ridiculous, all this is CLEARLY just this secretary informing a lobbying group that their efforts to do whatever they are doing are going to be responded to by her organization. As in, if this lobby group puts out something Heath and Human Services disagrees with, they will write or somehow deliver a response to both that lobby group and the public.
    Wrong! Oh so wrong. She, meaning the airhead POS Sebelius is telling insurance companies that they will be monetarily penalized for stating that their costs will go up. The companies are not lying, it is economic reality. The NHHS secretary has falsely accused them of lying and is threatening them with backdoor punishments, that is a direct violation of the first amendment and frankly the cow should be in prison for it. These are not threats directed at lobbying groups, they are threats directed at businesses.

    You all are acting like a SWAT team is going to storm in and arrest this lobbyist for speaking against the government and shut down her operation. Here's a newflash, the government has the right to respond to criticism, make public statements, and correspond with individuals. There's no violation of her 1st amendment.
    The government does not have the right to penalize people for speaking their minds......especially when they are speaking the truth, this is a direct violation of the first and frankly should not be tolerated. I would love to see the bitch directly sued in court over this.

    Do you people even understand what "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" even means? The key word is "abridging" there's clearly no "abridging" going on here, and there's certainly no laws being made, but somehow its still a violation of the 1st amendment?
    I love the "you people" argument here. The question is do you understand abridgement or infringement of speech? Let me explain this; the cow is telling people IF they speak about the bad things in Obamacare THEN they will suffer consequences, THAT is an infringement. As well, I am an insurance professional, maybe I should explain something, it is an ethical responsibility of mine to describe policy in full including the benefits and the negatives, these companies are speaking directly to the negatives as it is affecting the bottom line, if the moron in the NHHS doesn't like it then too ****ing bad and I hope she chokes on it.
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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    This belong in Bias in the Media. This isnt a legit news article but more partisan BS.
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    Re: Gangster Government Stifles Criticism of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think wetting our pants and jumping at shadows and misinformation is unseemly. Perhaps we should try dealing in facts and seeking truth instead of these scare tactics those who oppose health care reform use all too often. Let's toughen up and try to deal with the truth for a change.





    You mean like democrats?

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