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    The Koch brothers invade California


    Barbara was critical in last week's televised debate of Carly Fiorina's failure to take a stand, any stand, regarding Proposition 23 suspending California's nascent cap-and-trade program. State Republican leaders felt distress about that and Carly has (surprise!) come to see it their way.

    Maybe she was hesitant because of the company she'll be keeping. Or should I say ‘companies.’ Oil companies to be specific; out-of-state oil companies to be precise. Recently it was revealed that the infamous Koch brothers will be among them.

    Excerpted from “The Koch brothers invade California; The billionaire libertarians plunk a cool million down in support of Prop. 23 and higher temperatures for everyone” By Andrew Leonard, “How The World Works,” Salon, Friday, Sep 3, 2010 17:35 ET
    If you think out-of-state oil companies have California's best interests at heart, go ahead, vote for Proposition 23. Because it is their baby, all the way.
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    Ooooooh . . . the Koch brothers! Hide in FEEEEARRR!!!!

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    Hey, the right can have its own George Soros, can't it?
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    Re: The Koch brothers invade California

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ooooooh . . . the Koch brothers! Hide in FEEEEARRR!!!!

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    Hey, the right can have its own George Soros, can't it?
    Despite the title of the thread, I believe the issue is Fiorina's refusal to take a stand either way on an issue.
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    Re: The Koch brothers invade California

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ooooooh . . . the Koch brothers! Hide in FEEEEARRR!!!!

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    Hey, the right can have its own George Soros, can't it?
    LOL I was going to say the same thing. Funny how the left never complains about Acorn, Unions or Soros.
    MSNBC seems to be upset with the Koch brothers. They must be something good, though I must say I'm not real familiar with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Despite the title of the thread, I believe the issue is Fiorina's refusal to take a stand either way on an issue.
    Yea, I think you're right. Hopefully she comes out on the right side.
    What's with all the bragging about Ca. being a leader? The fact that Ca. is broke should be enough for people to avoid the road they went down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    … I must say I'm not real familiar with them.
    Then you should read this article: The billionaire Koch brothers’ war against Obama : The New Yorker
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Despite the title of the thread, I believe the issue is Fiorina's refusal to take a stand either way on an issue.
    No, it's about the Koch brothers and their new, if reluctant political bedfellow Carly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Yea, I think you're right. Hopefully she comes out on the right side.
    What's with all the bragging about Ca. being a leader? The fact that Ca. is broke should be enough for people to avoid the road they went down.
    California's broke.

    The USA is broke.

    Yup, California is a leader. LOL.
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    Stuff like this certainly doesn't help CA, and it's got nothing to do with the Koch brothers or Fiorina:

    Allysia Finley: Broke—and Building the Most Expensive School in U.S. History - WSJ.com

    At $578 million—or about $140,000 per student—the 24-acre Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools complex in mid-Wilshire is the most expensive school ever constructed in U.S. history. To put the price in context, this city's Staples sports and entertainment center cost $375 million. To put it in a more important context, the school district is currently running a $640 million deficit and has had to lay off 3,000 teachers in the last two years. It also has one of the lowest graduation rates in the country and some of the worst test scores.

    The K-12 complex isn't merely an overwrought paean to the nation's most celebrated liberal political family. It's a jarring reminder that money doesn't guarantee success—though it certainly beautifies failure.

    The cluster of schools is situated on the premises of the old Ambassador Hotel where the New York senator and presidential candidate was shot in 1968. The school district insists that it chose the site not merely for sentimental reasons, but because it was the only space available in the area and the property was dirt cheap.

    That was the only cheap thing about the project. In order to build on the site, the school district had to resolve protracted legal battles with Donald Trump—who wanted to build the tallest skyscraper west of the Mississippi there—and with historical conservationists who demanded that certain features be restored or recreated.

    Set to open Sept. 13, the school boasts an auditorium whose starry ceiling and garish entrance are modeled after the old Cocoanut Grove nightclub and a library whose round, vaulted ceilings and cavernous center resemble the ballroom where Kennedy made his last speech. It also includes the original Cocoanut Grove canopy around which the rest of the school was built. "It wasn't cheap, but it was saved," says Thomas Rubin, a consultant for the district's bond oversight committee, which oversees the $20 billion of bonds that taxpayers approved for school construction in recent years.

    I asked Mr. Rubin whether some of the school's grandiose features—like florid murals of Robert F. Kennedy—were worth the cost. "Did we have to do that? Hell no. But there's no accounting for taste," he responded.

    Talking benches—$54,000—play a three-hour audio of the site's history. Murals and other public art cost $1.3 million. A minipark facing a bustling Wilshire Boulevard? $4.9 million.

    The Kennedy complex is Exhibit A in the district's profligate 131-school building binge. Exhibit B is the district's Visual and Performing Arts High School, which was originally budgeted at $70 million but was later upgraded into a sci-fi architectural masterpiece that cost $232 million.

    Even more striking is Exhibit C, the Edward Roybal Learning Center in the Westlake area, which was budgeted at $110 million until costs skyrocketed midway through construction when contractors discovered underground methane gas and a fault line. Eventual cost: $377 million.

    Mr. Rubin admits that the Roybal Center project was "a tremendous screw-up" that "should have been studied closer beforehand." The project was abandoned for several years, only to be recommenced when community activists demanded that the school be built at whatever cost necessary in order to show respect for the neighborhood's Latino children, many of whom were attending an overcrowded Belmont High School.

    The Roybal center now ranks in the bottom third of schools with similar demographics on state tests, while Belmont High ranks in the top third. But even though many Roybal kids can't read or do math, at least they have a dance studio with cushioned maple floors and a kitchen with a restaurant-quality pizza oven.
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    Re: The Koch brothers invade California

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    WOW! Thanks. maybe we do have our own George Soros. It might level the playing field when it comes to playing dirty.
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