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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Oh maybe the people who answered the poll have unrealistic expectations and a total lack of understanding for the catastrophic damage W. did to our economy and image abroad.
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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Northeast Ohio and the Columbus area tend to be more liberal. The rest are mostly conservative. This post doesn't surprise me at all. We got hit hard with job loss, we need jobs and we need them now.
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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Considering 50% of Americans don't even realize that it was Bush who passed and signed the Bank Bailout (and that the many Dems in the House originally voted it down along with several Republicans), then I'm not surprised by this.

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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

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    More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Considering 50% of Americans don't even realize that it was Bush who passed and signed the Bank Bailout (and that the many Dems in the House originally voted it down along with several Republicans), then I'm not surprised by this.
    Bush did push for and got TARP, but it was through a Democratic Congress, Where the Dems Presidential candidate (Obama) was campaigning for it, it didn't garner much Congressional Republican support.


    The vote to release the TARP funding was pretty much along party lines, with most Democrats voting to release the funding. Below a list of the exceptions.

    Nine Democrats voted NOT to relesee the funds: Bayh (IN), Cantwell (WA), Dorgan (ND), Feingold (WI), Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Shaheen (NH), Sanders (VT), Wyden (OR).

    Six Republicans voted to release the money: Alexander (TN), Gregg (NH), Kyl (AZ), Lugar (IN), Snowe (ME), Voinovich (OH).

    First Read - Breaking down the TARP vote
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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Considering 50% of Americans don't even realize that it was Bush who passed and signed the Bank Bailout (and that the many Dems in the House originally voted it down along with several Republicans), then I'm not surprised by this.
    Most Americans also think TARP cost us hundreds of billions, so I think it balances out.
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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Considering 50% of Americans don't even realize that it was Bush who passed and signed the Bank Bailout (and that the many Dems in the House originally voted it down along with several Republicans), then I'm not surprised by this.
    Though I'm against all forms of bailouts, the bank bailouts that Bush passed had bipartisan support from the congress and the senate, while the stimulus package was only supported by democrats and got no support from republicans. Here's the latest treasury report along with what the CBO had to say:

    The latest estimate from the Treasury Department, released in May, is that the Troubled Asset Relief Program will cost $105 billion, and that number could shrink as banks and other TARP recipients repay the government. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office more recently estimated the final cost at $66 billion.

    Most economists believe TARP avoided a collapse of the nation's banking system and was well worth the cost.

    Herbert Allison, Treasury's assistant secretary for financial stability, said three-fourths of the money loaned to banks has been repaid.

    "We think that the program certainly served its intended purpose, and at a cost and an investment of far less than anyone expected," Allison said.
    So what we have here, is a bailout that seemed to work, that cost only a fraction of what the stimulus plan cost, that didn't work. The kicker is, Obama is taking credit for it.

    Thanks for that useful post.
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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Can anyone say buyers remorse?

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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Quote Originally Posted by damianvincent View Post
    Bush did push for and got TARP, but it was through a Democratic Congress, Where the Dems Presidential candidate (Obama) was campaigning for it, it didn't garner much Congressional Republican support.


    The vote to release the TARP funding was pretty much along party lines, with most Democrats voting to release the funding. Below a list of the exceptions.

    Nine Democrats voted NOT to relesee the funds: Bayh (IN), Cantwell (WA), Dorgan (ND), Feingold (WI), Lincoln (AR), Ben Nelson (NE), Shaheen (NH), Sanders (VT), Wyden (OR).

    Six Republicans voted to release the money: Alexander (TN), Gregg (NH), Kyl (AZ), Lugar (IN), Snowe (ME), Voinovich (OH).

    First Read - Breaking down the TARP vote
    That same day, the legislation for the bailout was put before the United States House of Representatives and failed 205-228, with one not voting. Democrats voted 140 to 95 in favor of the legislation, while Republicans voted 133 to 65 against it
    I was referring to the House vote where 95 Democrats voted against it vs. 65 Republicans voting against it.

    But more to the point is that 50% of Americans are factually incorrect. I find that disturbing, because they're basing their response on something not factual.

    I am reminded of the woman who started yelling at me at a bar (while rudely interrupting a conversation I was having) claiming that 9/11 happened while Clinton was in office - NOT that she blamed Clinton for not getting bin Laden or whatever - she firmly believed that Clinton was in office.

    There are too many people basing their beliefs on misinformation. If the belief is still the same, fine. But at least base it on facts, not delusions or misinformation.

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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    My apologies, but I can't help laughing my ass off. Who here remembers the 2008 election, when a lot of people were saying that was the end of the Bush era? And who also remembers the response from Republicans that year? It was pretty much this:

    ...........but Bush isn't running this year.
    According to some of the same people, he is running NOW.

    I love politics. It produces some of the best comedy in America.

    And no, Bush is not running this year.
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    Re: Public Policy Polling (PPP) Ohio: Bush 50 Obama 42

    Bush sure got his approval rating to jump up by not being in office. What does that tell me?

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