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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What the hell..why?
    As already stated, waterfowl ingest the spent shot and get lead poisoning. Millions dies before lead shot was banned in areas that waterfowl congregate in. I wrote a paper on the problem in 1971.

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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Maybe I'm being too much of a conspiracy theorist, but it seems like this could be used as a method to deliberately make ammunition more cost prohibitive. Can't control guns so just jack up the price of bullets based on "safety'.
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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Copper is better than either steel or lead. Allow me to spread a little enlightenment.

    Alternatives to Lead Bullets

    Where's your right to cheap toxic ammo?
    Copper is many times more expensive, making it cost prohibitive for shooting practice.
    There is no reasonable reason to ban it's use.
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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    As already stated, waterfowl ingest the spent shot and get lead poisoning. Millions dies before lead shot was banned in areas that waterfowl congregate in. I wrote a paper on the problem in 1971.
    I hope you have proof.
    Lead shot sinks to the bottom in water.
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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I hope you have proof.
    Lead shot sinks to the bottom in water.
    Uhh, that's the whole point. It sinks to the bottom where the ducks get their food.

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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Uhh, that's the whole point. It sinks to the bottom where the ducks get their food.
    I need to see how "millions died" from lead poisoning.
    That sounds like a huge stretch

    Total Breeding Duck Population Estimates

    Just by looking at this chart is shows that the population varies and that there hasn't been a significant depletion of ducks, to require such a ban.
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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I need to see how "millions died" from lead poisoning.
    That sounds like a huge stretch

    Total Breeding Duck Population Estimates

    Just by looking at this chart is shows that the population varies and that there hasn't been a significant depletion of ducks, to require such a ban.
    That's the population of ducks in one year. Lead poisoning has been recognized as a problem since the late 1800s. Multiply the almost 41 million ducks in this count by the 100+ years since lead shot has been commonly used and you can easily see how millions of waterfowl would die.

    Lead has been banned for almost 20 years now, so the number of lead poisoning deaths should be much lower now.

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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Copper is better than either steel or lead. Allow me to spread a little enlightenment.

    Alternatives to Lead Bullets

    Where's your right to cheap toxic ammo?
    I read your link and it sounds like bunk to me..... why you ask?

    To compare fragmentation between a premium bonded bullet and a non-lead alternative, bullets were fired into ballistic gelatin at 50 yards.
    The ballistic gelatin was radiographed. Penetration depth was then measured, and bullets were retrieved and weighed.

    The non-lead bullets showed very little to no fragmentation and deeper penetration, while the lead bullets left trails of fragments throughout the gel and didn't travel as far.
    Lead weighs 11340 Kg/Cu.M and copper weighs 8930 Kg/Cu. M...... so copper weighs 21% less than lead and would care 21% less energy at a given range. In other words, less knock down power.

    To make up for that a copper bullet would have to be 21% bigger.

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    Re: Environmental Protection Agency Reviewing Petition to Ban Lead Bullets

    We should stop being surprised by anything wacko that happens as long ad the Progressive idiots are in power. They want to ban private ownership of guns like they did in Australia and sent the crime rate through the roof.

    The dumbass Liberals ignore the facts that show crime goes down when the population is armed. Then the bad guys think teice about causing trouble because they never know who's packing.

    I love the way Arizona has treated arming the people. The slogan there could be "Use a gun for a crime against persons and go to the cemetery."

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