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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, had he not been in the military, he wouldn't be a piece-a-**** child abuser? Puhleese, spare us that crap!
    Watch the video and read the thread before responding so I don't have to repeat myself responding to your crap.

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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post


    So a guy who used to be in the military waterboarded his child. Does that reflect on the military, or does that mean he is not fit to serve in the military? I would think the second option much more likely. On the other hand, the USA has been anally raped by our last 2 presidents. Should that therefore reflect on the American people?
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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Now, now, no need to fly off the handle and get personal, Msgt. I'm guessing you didn't watch the video because that was insinuation made by the news spokesperson when she said, "Prosecutors said, neither soldier said where they got the idea to use waterboard on children" There now, don't you feel foolish?

    Btw, you could use a few anger management classes yourself.
    I didn't have to watch the video. It was your response that was innapropriate and your attempts to lay your personal responsibility at the feet of the ignorant media after falling all over it doesn't work here.

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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Hmm, it probably didn't help that Lynch couldn't defend herself because she had "a broken back, a broken arm, a broken thigh, and a crushed ankle" and was knocked unconscious, either. Wounds that are consistent with an automobile crash. She didn't ask to be used as the military's pro war propaganda anymore more than Pat Tillman did.
    You don't seem to get this. Her own testimony to Congress was that none of the "weapons systems assigned to her unit" fired. In other words, none of them had clean weapons and in the end they all blamed the desert sand for their own negligence and inabilities to defend themselves in combat. The same old "non-combatant" excuses passed around the Army commenced to get them off the hook of proper soldiering. I don't care how injured she was. She was not alone in her unprofessionalism and worthlessness.

    As far as being used as a media gold mind, it has nothing to do with nothing when it comes down to proper soldiering in a combat zone. It's the same garbage spun about by the Abu-Ghraib pretend soldiers in regards to their unprofessional behavior. Anti war whiners and BUsh haters are all too willing to get them off the hook if they can find a way to "blame higher."
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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, I saw that too. But doesn't it seem odd that "all the units weapons systems were jammed" and not just Lynch's? Because that would suggest that it was something else besides not just cleaning their weapons. Unless of course the unit was never trained to clean their guns since they were just a supply unit. I dunno, you military experts would know more about that stuff than I would.

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    An entire Marine Corps Division+ led the way to Baghdad with weapons firing just fine. This includes all support elements.

    What you are suggesting is very much a Army institutional problem that refuses to be fixed. The Army's 3rd ID rolled along on the west with their weapons ready to go. However, Jessica Lynch's unit was a support unit and the fact that most (if not all as she claimed) did not fire is not unheard of. They are taught how to fire and clean their weapons in Basic. But, they removed from being a "soldier" the moment they are designated non-infantry and all energy is focused on training them to perform techinal jobs whatever that may be. They do not go through annual sustainment training with infantry tactics and weapons handling. They are not engrained with a "rifleman first" mentality. And this is why Jessica Lynch and her kind are constantly placed in danger by the Army that is trusted to train her.

    But in the end, what kind of idiot is too lazy to clean the very instrument of their survival in combat? Considering how quickly her convoy was taken, they left Kuwait with dirty weapons.

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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But isn't that kind of understandable considering the soldiers go from the battlefield and in matter of hours back to civilian domestic life with little time to readjust? Not to mention the wives having been on their own for a year or more and were used to doing things their own way and some of the children are strangers to their dads when they return? But I think the military is aware of the transition problem and is trying to help the best they can considering that isn't what the military was designed to do.
    It's not understandable at all. It's weakness.


    There is a definate adjustment that must be made between returning "soldier" and wife. Obviously, the younger the couple (family) the harder it is. It is probably worse in the NCO ranks (Cpl & Sgt) because they are young leaders, yet old enough to hold ultimate responsibility for small units and then have to come home to share the decision making in a home where one has been the ultimate decision maker in his absence. There are transitional classes that are mandatory for servicemen upon their return to CONUS, but such things are not and could not be mandatory for civilian wives. In the end, it comes down to individuals and their sense of self.

    On another note, there is definately a sense of PTSD felt among the vast majority. They can and do even last years and years. But the vast majority of these PTSD cases are minor and rarely become sources of stress in the household. The majority of whiners claiming PTSd for their indivdual life failures after their small bit of real world experience are full of crap. Much of the world live in regions full of war and are constantly protecting borders. Only in the West, especially America, will you find the individual too torn to survive on his own over a moment in time abroad.

    This dip****, who abused his kid, would have done so without his military experience (which was next to nothing).
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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I didn't have to watch the video. It was your response that was innapropriate and your attempts to lay your personal responsibility at the feet of the ignorant media after falling all over it doesn't work here.
    You should have watched the video because the newspokeperson summed up the entire broadcast with....

    "Prosecutors said, neither soldier has said where he got the idea to use water to disipline children."

    If you feel to need to blame someone, then why don't you blame the person who posted this story and ask him what his motive was for posting it.

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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You don't seem to get this. Her own testimony to Congress was that none of the "weapons systems assigned to her unit" fired. In other words, none of them had clean weapons and in the end they all blamed the desert sand for their own negligence and inabilities to defend themselves in combat. The same old "non-combatant" excuses passed around the Army commenced to get them off the hook of proper soldiering. I don't care how injured she was. She was not alone in her unprofessionalism and worthlessness.

    As far as being used as a media gold mind, it has nothing to do with nothing when it comes down to proper soldiering in a combat zone. It's the same garbage spun about by the Abu-Ghraib pretend soldiers in regards to their unprofessional behavior. Anti war whiners and BUsh haters are all too willing to get them off the hook if they can find a way to "blame higher."
    Funny you should say that, because all I'm getting from you is there are some in the military who only seek to blame others, whether it's for the inadequacies in the military, or in their politics, or in themselves. You sir, fit the criteria for all three.

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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You don't seem to get this. Her own testimony to Congress was that none of the "weapons systems assigned to her unit" fired. In other words, none of them had clean weapons and in the end they all blamed the desert sand for their own negligence and inabilities to defend themselves in combat. The same old "non-combatant" excuses passed around the Army commenced to get them off the hook of proper soldiering. I don't care how injured she was. She was not alone in her unprofessionalism and worthlessness.

    As far as being used as a media gold mind, it has nothing to do with nothing when it comes down to proper soldiering in a combat zone. It's the same garbage spun about by the Abu-Ghraib pretend soldiers in regards to their unprofessional behavior. Anti war whiners and BUsh haters are all too willing to get them off the hook if they can find a way to "blame higher."


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    Re: U.S. Soldier Waterboards 6 Year Old Foster Child For Wetting His Bed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You should have watched the video because the newspokeperson summed up the entire broadcast with....

    "Prosecutors said, neither soldier has said where he got the idea to use water to disipline children."

    If you feel to need to blame someone, then why don't you blame the person who posted this story and ask him what his motive was for posting it.


    Your words in response to the video......

    "Ah jeez, I hate to see children get abused. But gee whiz, I wonder where the soldiers got the idea to waterboard, let alone waterboard children? Any guesses?"

    It's your suggestion.

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