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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

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    Texas - a healthy environment is not that important. Is this supposed to be a surprise to anyone?
    Catawaba, completely lying, shocking? Not at all.
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

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    It's bull**** and you know it. It's a way for Al Gore to make money, and that's all it is. To pretend otherwise is think that paying money cleans the air. Carbon credits is a scam.
    Speaking of Bull ****, have you read what you wrote?

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Catawaba, completely lying, shocking? Not at all.
    Oh really?

    TEXAS: "Not only is Texas the biggest polluter in the country but it isn’t complying with federal air quality standards. Texas leads the nation in carbon dioxide emissions, and in 2008, Houston was ranked the fourth worst city for ozone. Texas has not been in compliance with federal air quality standards since 1994, when the state submitted a system of issuing flexible air pollution limits to the EPA — which allowed for a portion of a refinery or chemical plant to emit more pollutants than federal standards authorize as long as the total emissions did not infringe on federal air quality standards. In June 2010, the EPA published its “disapproval” of Texas’ air quality standards, stating that the Texas program “does not meet several national Clean Air Act requirements that help to assure the protection of health and the environment.” Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) and state Republicans responded by filing a lawsuit that challenges the EPA’s ruling. Texas Department of Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples also pushed back against the EPA’s decision, saying, “[u]ltimately, in this process, it is the consumer, American families, that will be picking up the tab for” stronger air quality enforcement. Gina McCarthy, the EPA’s top air official, responded to the agency’s critics, citing that “enforcement of the Clean Air Act has saved lives and allowed the economy to grow.” In fact, the EPA just released a study which concluded that the Clean Air Act will “prevent 230,000 premature deaths and result in $2 trillion in economic benefits in 2020.”
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    Myth No. 1: The only reason why EPA has objected to the Texas “flexible permits” is because President Obama is “punitive” against “big, red” Texas.

    The Facts: EPA has raised concerns about the illegality of the Texas flexible permitting programs since 1994. The Bush Administration in 2006 and 2008 wrote letters saying that the Texas program did not meet the legal standard of the Clean Air Act. This is not a new complaint by EPA and it is not political. The only people playing politics are Texas officials who are misrepresenting the facts.


    Myth No. 2: The Texas flexible permit program has resulted in large emission reductions.

    The Facts: The improvement in air quality is due to factors other than the flex permitting program, mainly national clean air protections and EPA enforcement actions.


    Myth No. 3: Flexible Permits are legal and just as good at protecting the public as the permits in other states.

    The Facts: The flexible permits are unenforceable, don’t protect public health, and have far higher emission rates of pollution than at facilities in other states with enforceable, transparent, legally compliant permits limiting air pollution discharges.


    Myth No. 4: The disapproval of Texas’s unique “flexible" permitting program is costing jobs.

    The Facts: This is now much ado about nothing, because almost all of the companies with flex permits have come forward with proposals that will result in them having legal and better permits within the year.


    Lie No. 1: EPA is picking on poor little ol’ Texas.

    The Truth: Texas is an outlier among all the states. Texas alone decided not to modify its permitting program to comply with the law.


    Lie No. 2: EPA is acting unilaterally and without Congressional authorization.

    The Truth: EPA is enforcing the Clean Air Act as written, and as interpreted by the Supreme Court. It is not that EPA is engaging in its own discretionary program – it has acted pursuant to mandatory CAA requirements that EPA regulate where, as here, a pollutant endangers the public.


    Lie No. 3: Texas has a legitimate lawsuit concerning the endangerment finding that is aimed at protecting Texans.

    The Truth: The Texas lawsuit was filed at the behest of industry lawyers, the state is represented by a Yankee lawyer whose firm represents Exxon among other polluters, and the claims are based on faulty legal and factual basis.


    Lie No. 4: Texas industries just can’t comply with the greenhouse gas regulations.

    The Truth: Many Texas industries are going beyond the minimum requirements of EPA’s rules. Officials are selling Texas' businesses short.


    Lie No. 5: The EPA GHG regulations put Texas at a terrible competitive disadvantage.

    The Truth: Texas has natural resources that mean it can be a big winner with greenhouse gas regulations, IF we have forward thinking leaders.
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    It's really funny that conservatives suddenly decided emissions trading was socialism/bad/harms America the second a Democrat took office. It was their idea in the first place. You know who implemented the first cap and trade system in America?

    Reagan.

    It was for lead content in gasoline. The GOP at the time boasted that it was "unleashing the power of the free market." And that it would do the job faster and more efficiently than the Democrats' "command and control" proposal. And you know what? They were right. Lead ended up out of gasoline faster and cheaper than the estimated costs for the Democrats proposal. Well done, GOP.

    Bush Sr. implemented a cap and trade system dealing with acid rain pollutants like sulfur dioxide. Notice how people don't freak out about acid rain so much these days? That's because those emissions have decreased substantially. Bush Jr. expanded on that system and further reduced those emissions.

    But now it's a Democrat in office and suddenly everyone has forgotten that Cap and Trade is a Republican idea implemented as a free-market approach to what they used to say was a real problem. In addition to Presidents Reagan and Bushes, other GOP names that have historically supported cap and trade specifically for carbon emissions:

    Newt Gingrich
    Tim Pawlenty
    Mike Huckabee
    Sarah Palin
    John McCain

    All of these people became against Cap and Trade the second it became politically expedient to do so.
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    LOL - at first when I saw this thread from the main forum it looked like "Texas fights global warming." Then I was like "wait...that doesn't sound right."
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    I happened on this and found it interesting. I wonder if it will ever go anywhere? It seems to good too be true. Maybe it's a hoax? If not, why aren't we on it?

    Texas firm harnesses carbon dioxide to extract oil from abandoned fields | NOLA.com
    At a time when many companies are focused on minimizing production of carbon dioxide, a major culprit in global warming, Denbury Resources is all about producing more of it.
    The Plano, Texas, company extracts carbon dioxide from a giant underground deposit in Mississippi and uses the gas to draw more oil from abandoned fields. Denbury also sells the CO2 to companies that create carbonated beverages, make dry ice, load fire extinguishers and freeze pieces of chicken.
    In trapping and using carbon dioxide that might otherwise be released into the atmosphere, Denbury has become a poster child of sorts for business groups that believe Louisiana should combine aggressive drilling for oil and gas with technologies that capture the carbon released by refineries and major consumers of fossil fuels.
    Looking ahead to the day when its naturally occurring carbon dioxide supply at the Jackson Dome is exhausted, Denbury is building a 320-mile carbon dioxide pipeline -- the so-called green pipeline -- across Louisiana so it can buy more of the gas from the state's ubiquitous refineries, chemical plants, utilities and future gasification projects

    Bob Cornelius, senior vice president of operations at Denbury, admits he gets some funny reactions when he tells people that he sees value in carbon dioxide. While it may seem perverse, he said it is a good business to be in at a time when the cost of fuel is at a premium and companies are looking for ways to sequester their carbon dioxide emissions.

    "We can do a lot of good things at once: We can help the environment, produce more oil and gas, produce more jobs and more energy security," he said.
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I happened on this and found it interesting. I wonder if it will ever go anywhere? It seems to good too be true. Maybe it's a hoax? If not, why aren't we on it?

    Texas firm harnesses carbon dioxide to extract oil from abandoned fields | NOLA.com
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    LOL - at first when I saw this thread from the main forum it looked like "Texas fights global warming." Then I was like "wait...that doesn't sound right."

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