These aren't the musings of some control freak... this was a scholarly justification of the hows and whys of population control.... Hell, even when Holdren was interviewed and asked about the book, he went and denied the allegations (which is probably that fact check you mentioned) MEANWHILE THE BOOK IN QUESTION WAS PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED!!!
So, specifically, am I discredited because he didn't write the book discussing such things? Is it because he 'didn't mean it'?? Is it because he changed his mind? Is it because you don't believe anyone could be that evil?
No, I am not taking any sort of partisan position (except where my positions naturally will fall in partisan lines)... I limited the mention to Holdren ONLY to show that this is still going on now... if you want I could go further back... to the papers come out in the 60's how hormones were being studied that would be added to vaccines that would sterilize SOME women and reduce fertility in others. Or even further back to the 20's where the studies were being done on monkeys testing the potentials of 'anti-hormones'...I'll try and address the rest later. But I had to point out how disappointing it is to see anyone spout out such stupid partisan nonsense.
or I could also point to people like Prince Charles who wrote in his book how if he reincarnates he wishes to be a deadly virus to help with overpopulation.... or looking at the Georgia Guidestones which declares that the world population should be maintained at a stable 500 million.
There's simply TOO MUCH information to cover in the 12000 character limits. So, even if you COULD prove to me that ehrlich and Holdren were somehow joking back in the mid-70's, again in the 80's and again in 1996, I could probably find another 5-10 examples of people in positions of power and influence discussing the need or their desire to reduce human population numbers, and how this is intricately tied to the 'environmentalist' agenda.
That said, I don't expect most people with valid concerns, since yes, humans ARE causing environmental problems through certain activites / industries, to grasp how they are being led to support a position with such diabolical (for lack of a better term) intentions backing it up.
Bottom line... I don't care where my 'credibility' stands... my preference is to have people look into the information and come to their own conclusions... since I know that any objective look into the information makes a pretty conclusive case that there are influential members of society that have a deep seeded belief that the world is over-populated and that there is a need for drastic reduction in human population. Most sources that specify will allude to a 'majority', but most common numbers are between 80-90% reduction, with some 'extreme' who believe humanity to be a parasite and should be COMPLETELY eliminated. "How great an honor it will be to be the last human on earth and to commit suicide so that there can be a great return of the wilderness of the earth."
I honestly WISH I was completely off base with all this.