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    Saw a report that it's been determined that Swine Flu is absolutely no more dangerous than the typical everyday flu bug.

    Let's see.......AIDS was going to kill us all, gay or not......then Y2K was going to shut down the planet......Bird Flu was going to kill us all.......oil almost ran out in the 70's, before we apparently found another hole full.......we were on the brink of an ice age in the late-70s......we've now survived repeated almost plagues of West Nile and Swine Flu.....

    ....and now cow farts and suburbans are going to heat the atmosphere to a point that we're all going to die in a hurricane.

    But not before an asteroid takes us out in 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar.

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by justonemorevoice View Post
    heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! some of us are very reasonable. (and have boobs and purty tails!) :P
    Come to Florida. I'll happily pack up our religious nutjobs and send them in trade for you.

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    One way to motivate people to change their polluting ways is to make the cost of this behavior prohibitive. It exposes the true cost and it makes it alternatives more cost competitive. This is not so much a matter trying to regulate as it is an attempt to wean us from a really bad behavior, burning fossils for fuel.
    This is nothing but a power grab. Picking winners and losers. Forcing people into cars,homes, life styles they may not choose. Why? POWER and Money. It has nothing to do with lowering the temperature of the planet. It has everything to do with passing an energy bill that will have cap and trade in it and redistribution of wealth to other countries.

    Let's say CAP and TRADE passes, what do the "experts" say the difference in the Earths temperature will be in 20 yrs?
    Remember China and Indonesia don't have to participate and our jobs will be going there for them to pollute.
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    This is nothing but a power grab. Picking winners and losers. Forcing people into cars,homes, life styles they may not choose. Why? POWER and Money. It has nothing to do with lowering the temperature of the planet. It has everything to do with passing an energy bill that will have cap and trade in it and redistribution of wealth to other countries.

    Let's say CAP and TRADE passes, what do the "experts" say the difference in the Earths temperature will be in 20 yrs?
    Remember China and Indonesia don't have to participate and our jobs will be going there for them to pollute.
    This is EXACTLY why I want Texas to secede. Go build your own damn country.

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Naturally, and even Al Gore in his latest book (unless there's a more recent one then what I'm thinking of) he's discussed how a 'science based' approach to tackling 'global warming' won't work, preferring instead 'faith based' arguments.

    When the scientific questions on which these studies are founded are asked in such a way as to frame the problem in terms of CO2's impact on the area of study... odds are the intention is to create a study that will be used to fear monger.

    To illustrate the point let's use the studies involving ocean acidification...
    It was claimed that CO2 makes the oceans more acid (when sulfur has a far greater effect on PH levels)... then the claim was made how this would kill off ocean life... then the studies are complete and what do you know, all the previous fear mongering had neglected to account for the fact that marine life has survived through millions of years of atmospheric changes and can adapt to these minute changes.... IN SPITE of the fact that to get any 'useful' results the scientists had to use tests with 2-5 TIMES the current atmospheric levels of CO2..

    Another quick illustration : If you go to a greenhouse, the CO2 levels are artificially raised to around 1000ppm of CO2 because the plants grow more efficiently with the higher levels of CO2.



    Because Gore is the most vocal and noted alarmist... in spite of the fact that his film must start with a warning essentially stating 'Not a factual documentary'. The 'loose change' of the global warming.

    Now, the science itself... look at the source; the CRU. They have been caught and admitted to fudging the data, and 'lost' the raw data, among other scandals. SO... EVEN IF the science had something to it... because of the corruption of a few individuals working for the IPCC and the CRU, now DECADES of science and understanding of the environment MUST be tossed out and restarted. One rotten apple has ruined the whole batch. I'm sorry to state it like that, but that's the reality... since they have been caught in a scientific fraud ANY scientific paper with their name on it, MUST for the sake of GOOD science be tossed out and restarted. Don't blame the deniers for that, blame the beloved alarmists.



    Yes, 'in part' is the key word here... in terms of CO2, that 'in part' is equivalent to 'background noise'. How many climate scientists have refused to even add the solar energy as part of their climate equation??? I've yet to see one. Yet, it's not 'co2' levels that rise untill midday and fall through the night... it's the sun.

    So, once again, if you want to talk about REAL destruction of the environment rather then these damn fraudsters telling us that to save the world we gotta stop breathing... then we can have a conversation... untill then I'm treating GW alarmists as they are.... A JOKE.
    As I have said, Gore doesn't matter at all. He's not a scientist. So, going after Gore is a way to deflect from the science. And yes, in part is key, but no, it is not equal to background noise. The whole of the scientific coimmunity complately disagrees with you on that, and state so clearly. Pretendning otherwise is the real joke. A sad, sad joke play by and on deniers.

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Saw a report that it's been determined that Swine Flu is absolutely no more dangerous than the typical everyday flu bug.
    Not if you were obese and pregnant - then your chances of survival went down remarkably
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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is EXACTLY why I want Texas to secede. Go build your own damn country.
    But then you'd lose 3/4 of your military.

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    Re: Texas fights global-warming power grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Come to Florida. I'll happily pack up our religious nutjobs and send them in trade for you.
    WHAT A THREAT!! No, please keep them in America!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I have said, Gore doesn't matter at all. He's not a scientist. So, going after Gore is a way to deflect from the science.
    Ya, the sex poodle is a joke, and ultimately serves to demonstrate how much of a joke the whole concept is.

    And yes, in part is key, but no, it is not equal to background noise.
    Let's put this all into perspective : CO2 is in the 0.0X% of the total volume of the atmosphere... mans contribution to that is about 0.0X% of the total... and SOMEHOW, that 0.00X% of the CO2 in question (which ultimately cannot be measured as in 'this co2 is from the ocean' and 'this co2 is from car exhaust'... unless you're measuring from the source.) is something that will account for catastrophic climate change... that's as much of a joke as Al Gore. I dont remember the number of papers I've read on the subject that state either directly or implicitly that the sun's influence is negligible to the point that it's considered a constant, or not even considered.

    Meanwhile, the SUN... well, the if you live in the northern hemisphere, winter time comes when the earth is closer to the sun, but because the rays hit at a different angle makes the difference between winter and summer weather... AND, even better, in the morning it's coolest BEFORE the sun rises, then it warms up throughout the day, and begins to cool before the sun has set. So, OBVIOUSLY, the sun is a great influence on climate.

    The facts are that we do not understand the intricacies of the environment and climate more then enough to predict a matter of days ahead... anything further is simply a guess.... maybe an educated guess, but still. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we can truly predict these things.

    The whole of the scientific coimmunity complately disagrees with you on that, and state so clearly. Pretendning otherwise is the real joke. A sad, sad joke play by and on deniers.
    Yes, but you don't get it... there are flaws like measuring temperatures recorded close to heat sources, 'padding' data, or using studies that get into such ridiculous levels of CO2 that would literally be fatal on it's own merit to conduct experiments... one study I saw said they were using 5000ppm CO2... which would be fatal if it could get to that point. Then there's factors like natural cycles that we don't even KNOW ABOUT that are going on that actually does influence CO2 levels... Plus, the fact that these guys were busted... yes, I know their buddies gave them a pass, but any real scrutiny of those letters, which wasn't SIMPLY the admission of the protocol to run the numbers through an algorithm that padded the data... it was discussing ways to prevent opposing viewpoints from appearing in respected journals, and other admissions of fraud. There's also a ton of mundane discussion, but honestly, the only way they were completely vindicated is if they were reading choice emails from the batch... which, it just so happens MSM media outlets were aware of this in the area of 3-6 months before being forced into reporting the discovery... think about that.

    So, because the main SOURCE for data from the UN was the CRU, every other study is rendered bunk because the source data is completely unreliable, and all data coming out must be independantly verified. THEN, I might start giving it some credibility.

    If you wanted to say fossil fuels are bad, you could point to the more problem gases; carbon monoxide, sulfurs, benzene coming off the tires (in very minute amounts), you could discuss policies of herbicides, pesticides, residential chemicals, industry waste procedures, ensuring that any pollution is captured and dealt with...

    So, if we made it so the exhaust of your car released nothing but water vapor and CO2... I'd be absolutely impressed.

    It's also been proven that people that buy green products are many times more likely to act immorally elsewhere.

    So, finally, it's not the democratic position that 'most people say X' so X is correct... just objectively look at the information... a good place to start is the MSDS sheets...
    Universal Industrial Gases, Inc. ... MSDS Gaseous Carbon Dioxide - CO2
    Carbon Dioxide is a powerful cerebral dilator. At concentrations between 2 and 10%, Carbon Dioxide can cause nausea, dizziness, headache, mental confusion, increased blood pressure and respiratory rate. Above 8% nausea and vomiting appear. Above 10%, suffocation and death can occur within minutes
    Now, what's the current atmospheric CO2 levels average?? 400-450 ppm??? So, until CO2 concentrations get above around 2000ppm before we'd start seeing any effect?? (though, I imagine at that levels you would quickly adapt to the thicker air) So... being a minute contributor to this trace gas, we're somehow going to somehow nearly fivefold increase naturally occurring levels of this gas???

    So, NOT ONLY is global warming a proven fraud (not by me by their own admissions)... it is more and more showing itself to be a form of 'antihuman cult' where human activity is viewed as the enemy. Just like the book I keep sourcing as THE SOURCE document about global warming while the media was still panicking over the next ice-age that hasn't quite started yet... apparently. The club of rome document 'the first global revolution' (search that in google and you can easily find exerpts), but the one key quote is that in the beginning of the document makes the declaration

    'The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.'
    What went along with that crazed man that took over the discovery channel's global warming intentions?? He wanted to see more global warming issues being promoted... and what do you know, he advocated mass population reduction.

    Again, Charlie Manson, what does he want?? He wants a world government to pull off mass population reduction.

    Then there's bill gates speech where he says that he will reduce the birth rate up to 15% through vaccines and that CO2 = PEOPLE * activities * co2 generated per activity.... and 'ONE OF THESE' will have to be reduced to near 0.

    Can you see a trend here??

    Let's go further... you got me in rant mode.
    Only-Child Myths Persist As More Parents Choose One Kid - TIME
    Birth Control: For Zero Growth - TIME

    Then Obama's science czar, Holdren, what does he advocate?? Putting sterilants in the water supply and have parents get the antidote through an application process... for the earth.

    Because the inner-doctrine of church of climateology is now coming more to light about the true intentions behind this huge push towards 'action' on global warming. So, yeah, I don't doubt that we'll see more and more people who buy into this who will just go out and kill themselves.... or trying to engage in violence in order to 'exterminate the weeds' or whatever verbiage they might use.

    If you go and add in the 'side-effects' of prozac / ritalin type SSRI drugs, that's reaching epidemic proportions... you're going to get some people with a bad trip that will go and kill themselves and their families because it will be 'good for the earth'.

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    Bmanmcfly, you lost complete credibility with the Holdren nonsense. As long as you buy into partisan crap, you can't be taken seriously. No a fact check on that and you should be able to see you error.

    I'll try and address the rest later. But I had to point out how disappointing it is to see anyone spout out such stupid partisan nonsense.

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