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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The problem is not with the definition of tolerance or approval. the IRONY comes with your comment...why do I just have to accept them if I believe they are wrong. And my response is very simply...thats precisely what I have said for 93 posts now. I have stated I can love and accept people and respect their decisions and choices, even if I view their choices and lifestyle as 'wrong'. Acceptance of them doesnt require me to change. And I dont expect you to change.
    Fair enough. I accept YOU. I tolerate the belief I disagree with.


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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

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    Fair enough. I accept YOU. I tolerate the belief I disagree with.

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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Legal" is not an abstract concept, it's something that society decides. Unless you're saying you'd support a ban on sodomy in a state where it was already legal, whether or not the law says that something is permitted is irrelevant to the moral question.

    If you found out that your sister was in love with your brother, would you tell her that you value her happiness and relationship less than you value that of everyone else?
    I agree. It IS something that society decides, up to a point, where it becomes mob rule, and the tryanny of the majority decides. Luckily, in the US, we have a court system that prevents tyranny of the majority.
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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Legal" is not an abstract concept, it's something that society decides. Unless you're saying you'd support a ban on sodomy in a state where it was already legal, whether or not the law says that something is permitted is irrelevant to the moral question.

    If you found out that your sister was in love with your brother, would you tell her that you value her happiness and relationship less than you value that of everyone else?
    The reasons for objecting to that might be more valid, which is why each issue stands on its own. Laws have to have a just cause behind them in order to stand, at one level or another. We can't be so arbitrary that we say short people can't marry, or fat people can't watch TV. We have to show some reasonable justification, more than just a majority disapproves.

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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The reasons for objecting to that might be more valid, which is why each issue stands on its own. Laws have to have a just cause behind them in order to stand, at one level or another. We can't be so arbitrary that we say short people can't marry, or fat people can't watch TV. We have to show some reasonable justification, more than just a majority disapproves.
    What is the justification for telling two adults (your brother and your sister) that their relationship is worth less than that of everyone else and that they don't deserve to marry? Does that excuse justify the harm being inflicted on them?
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