We are done with this discussion, you and I. I have no desire to communicate with an angry, hate filled intolerant bigot that cant respect other peoples opinions. Shame on you. You MIGHT consider practicing some of that tolerance and acceptance you preach. Or not. You and people like you are the reason why some folk go from being accepting and understanding while not full on embracing to adversarial.
1. Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.
ac∑cept/ śkˈsɛpt/Verb (used with object)
1. To take or receive (something offered); receive with approval or favor
See the difference? I tolerate your views. I do not accept them. There is a difference.
It's not intolerant to challenge someone's view if you believe it to be wrong from your moral perspective.
If an Evangelical knocks on my door and tries to convert me to their interpretation of Christianity, are they being intolerant? By your definition, yes.
By my definition, no. They're trying to change my mind. They might even offend me with something they say (God knows it's happened before), but that doesn't make them intolerant.
I honestly didn't want to offend you and will apologize if I have. But I'm seriously trying to understand the motivation. I don't doubt your love for your family. But it seems to me that in a debate on equality, you're not siding with them. That's the part I have a hard time with.
I could never vote to prevent someone I love from finding their happiness (if said happiness is legal and with a consenting adult).
*No insult intended, Mr. Mack*
"It's like give a six year-old crayons and telling them to create a Van Gogh. They can't. Whatever Van Gogh possessed that made such beauty possible, they don't have. They just draw a picture, doing the best they can with what they've got. And that's what I did."
I think VM is right on the point that given who he is, his life experiences, what he has seen, learned, and believed - he is doing the best he can with what he has. And that is tolerance.
I speak to this from the point of having a sister-in-law who refuses to speak to half of her family over this issue because she's SO offended by homosexuality that she's ensconced herself in a Pennsylvania trailer (not implying that everyone against gay marriage lives in a trailer) and refuses to speak to her parents because they didn't kick out the gay son.
As a result, her children don't see their grandparents their uncles and cousins.
So again, I'm sorry if I get a little angry at times and I'm sorry to have over-spoken.
I do tolerate your view. I'm just trying to get to heart of it because it is difficult for me to understand it. (And, of course, it would be amazing if you changed your mind, but I'm aware that's unlikely to happen).
If you found out that your sister was in love with your brother, would you tell her that you value her happiness and relationship less than you value that of everyone else?
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Not sure...but I think the Good Reverend would approve of this as a backhanded compliment...I believe that is his precursor to dating...
If my views were such that the death penalty was right and i believed in it, but then a child of mine committed an act deserving of it, should i then change my position because it is no longer convenient?
Conversely, If I was opposed to the death penalty should I change that view because someone I care about was killed?
If I am opposed to abortion do I suddenly become pro abortion just because a child of mine decides she needs to have one? If I am pro abortion do I suddenly become anti abortion ecause the girlfriend of a son of mine wants to terminate his baby?
I dont alter my beliefs and morals based on whether or not they are convenient. I have a positive relationship with my children and in laws. I am very much comfortable loving them, standing for their happiness, even if I disagree with their choices. You alter your views however you choose. Not my business. I dont CARE if you would be happy your son was gay. I say good for you...good for BOTH of you. If one of my own children told me that I would say...find love...find happiness. I wouldnt kick them out, banish them from my presence, or treat them or their partner badly. That I disagree with them would be something THEY would have to consider. If I have a child that said dad...Sally and I have decided we are going to get pregnant and live together and not get married I would have the same response. Again...up to THEM to be all pissy if (or that) I disapprove. Up to ME to continue to treat them with love and respect.
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