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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    My sympathies go out to his family and children.
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yawn...

    What exactly is an 'anti-gay' campaign? I must have missed their efforts to stop gayness...
    Haven't you heard? If you don't believe in gay marriage you are a horrible bigot and probably a racist.
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Haven't you heard? If you don't believe in gay marriage you are a horrible bigot and probably a racist.
    With the way you seem to simplify the left, then why is it unfair to generalize those against gay marriage. If you can state that the left is not one monolithic group who agrees about everything, then I can agree that there are many motivations to be against gay marriage.

    However, since most people here seem to be most comfortable dealing in generalizations, I don't see why one is more unfair than another.

    But if we can have nuanced debate, then yes. But I challenge you to answer the question that I asked of VanceMack - a question that remains unanswered - if you'd like to discuss the issue in death.

    Further, his family needs no sympathy. He's not dead. So your not really doing much for your argument that your not a little bigoted against gays.

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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSon316 View Post
    This is another lies about Republicons. MY president George Walker Bush would never work with a gay.
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    With the way you seem to simplify the left, then why is it unfair to generalize those against gay marriage. If you can state that the left is not one monolithic group who agrees about everything, then I can agree that there are many motivations to be against gay marriage.
    Of course but that doesn't negate the fact many on the left use bigot to describe anyone who is against gay marriage.

    But if we can have nuanced debate, then yes. But I challenge you to answer the question that I asked of VanceMack - a question that remains unanswered - if you'd like to discuss the issue in death.
    I'm assuming you meant in depth. And name the question. If you agree to anaswer one of my own on the same issue.

    Further, his family needs no sympathy. He's not dead. So your not really doing much for your argument that your not a little bigoted against gays.
    LOL Just after you make a big deal that all lefties aren't the same you come right back with the bigoted lie.

    I'll give you a hint Film guy. You are intolerant of anyone who is against gay marriage so you are no less a bigot than the people you are against. Way to go.

    And absolutely his family need sympathy. He has been married to a woman, has kids with that woman and has now decided to abandon that commitment with an entire new sexual orientation.

    How can that not be a betrayal of the most basic moral principles he has been behind the past decades of his marriage?

    Are you really so far gone you can't see how humiliating this is for his children not to mention his wife?
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I'll give you a hint Film guy. You are intolerant of anyone who is against gay marriage so you are no less a bigot than the people you are against. Way to go.
    That makes no sense. Gay marriage is civil rights issue. We're respecting the constitution. You're conveniently ignoring it.

    If I say the KKK are a bunch of bigots, am I being intolerant??

    Think, text, then speak.

    And absolutely his family need sympathy. He has been married to a woman, has kids with that woman and has now decided to abandon that commitment with an entire new sexual orientation.
    Is that how it went down, do you have a link?? or are you just making **** up again.

    How can that not be a betrayal of the most basic moral principles he has been behind the past decades of his marriage?

    Are you really so far gone you can't see how humiliating this is for his children not to mention his wife?
    You must have some inside information about this story that the rest of us don't.

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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Why is it a problem for people if the guy turned out to be gay? It's his life, and is his sexuality relevant to the Bush campaign that happened years ago?
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This is true. But for the most part, Democrats aren't the ones trying to amend state Constitutions to ban gay marriage.

    Funny thing is, if Republicans would just get over the whole gay thing, they'd probably attract a lot of gay voters due to their fiscal beliefs. But as long as they're in bed with the religious right, you aren't going to win over very many gays.
    If you were to investigate the "Religious Left", a largely unexplored group, you mind find that their attitudes can be quite similar. Black Churches, for example, would be a good place to start.

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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why is it a problem for people if the guy turned out to be gay? It's his life, and is his sexuality relevant to the Bush campaign that happened years ago?
    Because when he was with Bush, he was fighting against gay rights.

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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Of course but that doesn't negate the fact many on the left use bigot to describe anyone who is against gay marriage.



    I'm assuming you meant in depth. And name the question. If you agree to anaswer one of my own on the same issue.



    LOL Just after you make a big deal that all lefties aren't the same you come right back with the bigoted lie.

    I'll give you a hint Film guy. You are intolerant of anyone who is against gay marriage so you are no less a bigot than the people you are against. Way to go.

    And absolutely his family need sympathy. He has been married to a woman, has kids with that woman and has now decided to abandon that commitment with an entire new sexual orientation.

    How can that not be a betrayal of the most basic moral principles he has been behind the past decades of his marriage?

    Are you really so far gone you can't see how humiliating this is for his children not to mention his wife?
    Ha! Yes, I meant "in depth" not "in death" - that would be an entirely different conversation, wouldn't it?

    I've honestly not read any story that mentions him having been married. In fact, I've read several articles on his coming out that specifically state that in covering his sexual orientation up, he was frequently called a "avowed bachelor". So, I'm not sure where you've found anywhere that suggests he was married and has children. Were that so, then it's a really well-kept secret. But I appreciate your concern for these imaginary people is surely appreciated by them.

    But, let's say he did have a wife? How is what he did worse than what Newt Gingrich did in leaving a cancer-stricken wife? Or John McCain is leaving the wife who supported him during his recovery from the war? If you leave your wife for another woman, does that make you better than someone who leaves for another man?

    Now, if I'm a bigot against those who don't support gay marriage, then you are equating politics to race, religion, ethnicity, national origin and gender. I'll say that I'm bigoted against those who vote to prevent same-sex couples from marrying, if you'll admit to being bigoted against Democrats and Obama-supporters. Personally, I don't think one can be a bigot against a political philosophy - because by nature, all political philosophies have an opposition. That would make every "bigoted" against someone else. If you'd like to call that bigotry, then go ahead.

    But, by no means to I equate someone who is against gay marriage with, say, the guys who killed Matthew Shepard. And I don't equate them with the lunatic who is Fred Phelps.

    However, the question I'm challenging those of you with is this (and this is the third time I've posted it, and have yet to find a response to it):

    If you have two brothers, one straight and one gay - how would you explain to your gay brother that you value your other brothers relationship more? What if your gay brother and his partner have an adopted child? Finally, how would you expect your brother to respond to you when you tell him that you value his relationship less?

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