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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

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    The lack of respect for others opinion...the blatant bigotry, hatred and intolerance from those on the left has frankly turned me pretty ugly abolut the subject of gay marriage which is why I avoid the gay marriage threads.
    It shouldn't be like that. I know it is, and shoulda, woulda, coulda blah-blah whatever. But really, I have the same reaction from the other side of the fence. "Civility a must!" does not exactly seem to be the motto around here anymore.

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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

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    It shouldn't be like that. I know it is, and shoulda, woulda, coulda blah-blah whatever. But really, I have the same reaction from the other side of the fence. "Civility a must!" does not exactly seem to be the motto around here anymore.
    I know I can come across as an ass at times (understatements are a specialty of mine!) but this whole subject bothers me to no end and it is a no win situation. I work with several gay people. I associate with them on a regular basis outside of work and class (and I know...its the cliche...oh...you have gay friends...riiiiight...how funny-but...no...I DONT have gay friends. I have friends and associatess...that they happen to be gay is iorrelevant to me). I have brought an in-law into my home and provided end of life care for him for over a year. MOST of the gay men I know are pretty comfortable and happy with their lives and dont believe the laws should be changed. Several get vilified because they arent militant enough for the gay cause. And to be blunt, the ignorance and pettiness behind the word 'homophobe' makes me both laugh and then want to puke. WHAT really pisses people off is when they throw it out there and people dont suddenly cower and dance to avoid being labelled. Dammit...thats supposed to work. Darn...have to try something else.

    No...Im not a homophobe and to anyone that wants to use the label simply because I dont think we should change the laws I have two thoughts for you...1-Im sorry you feel that way, and 2-**** you...deal with it. I dont think the practice is right but I embrace people and their choices and lives and hope they find happiness. Beyond that...Im just tired of the whole thing.
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSon316 View Post
    This is another lies about Republicons. MY president George Walker Bush would never work with a gay.
    Well, it must be embarrassing that Ken Mehlman, the brains behind Bush's campaign, has openly come out of the closet as a homosexual.

    "It's taken me 43 years to get comfortable with this part of my life," Mehlman said. "Everybody has their own path to travel, their own journey, and for me, over the past few months, I've told my family, friends, former colleagues, and current colleagues, and they've been wonderful and supportive. The process has been something that's made me a happier and better person. It's something I wish I had done years ago, but I didn't."

    Mehlman told Ambinder that he had recently come to the conclusion that he is gay and was looking to become an advocate for gay marriage. He went public in part because he expected to be asked about his sexuality when it became known he was participating in a fundraiser next month for the American Foundation for Equal Rights (AFER), which is supporting a legal challenge to California's Proposition 8 initiative banning gay marriage.

    Ken Mehlman, Bush Campaign Manager, Comes Out as Gay - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    And now he supports gay-marriage.

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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Who cares? Other than as a Gay Jew, he certainly breaks the left's characterizations of the Republican Party.
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

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    Who cares? Other than as a Gay Jew, he certainly breaks the left's characterizations of the Republican Party.
    So I am not "the left" now?
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    Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So I am not "the left" now?
    Oh no, you certainly are. Just not the entire left. Besides, despite being a lefty-looney, you're fairly easy to converse with. More so than many I know on the far right.
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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    SUre...no different than my vote restricts polygamists from unrestriced marriage or brothers and sisters. Are you petitioning for them as well?
    Again with the polygamy and incest lie.

    Are polygamists and siblings marrying in any of the nations I mentioned? Are they marrying in Iowa, Massachusetts, Connecticutt, New Hampshire, or Vermont? The answer is no.

    It's been legally recognized in some parts of the world for nearly a decade now and your fear hasn't come to fruition anywhere.

    So, if that's your fear, you can be reassured that it won't happen. And about your gay friends, they would be very rare in my world. I've met only one person who doesn't really care about gay marriage and he's considerably older and is simply happy, in his words, to "not feel threatened to be beaten all the time." For someone of his age, that probably is enough. I'm sure for some older African-Americans, not being beaten anymore was enough, too. But the next generation wants to more fully participate in society as an equal.

    For gays and lesbians, marriage is the final stage that the nation is allowing them to fully participate as equal citizens. If you're against that, you are telling them that you believe they are NOT fully equal as citizens. It may not be your intent, but it's the message that's received. I'm sorry for you that this debate frustrates you. But you have the right to marry and the right to do with your life as you wish.

    Now imagine the frustration if YOU were the one being told you couldn't marry and support the person you love. Wouldn't you be even more frustrated? I'm sorry, but I won't let you play the victim here. Your frustration is nothing compared to the frustrations of those who want to legally share their lives with one another and have the country who takes their tax dollars treat them the same as their neighbors. I only wish you knew what that frustration feels like. If you did, I'd imagine your views would be different.

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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

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    Again with the polygamy and incest lie.

    Are polygamists and siblings marrying in any of the nations I mentioned? Are they marrying in Iowa, Massachusetts, Connecticutt, New Hampshire, or Vermont? The answer is no.

    It's been legally recognized in some parts of the world for nearly a decade now and your fear hasn't come to fruition anywhere.

    So, if that's your fear, you can be reassured that it won't happen. And about your gay friends, they would be very rare in my world. I've met only one person who doesn't really care about gay marriage and he's considerably older and is simply happy, in his words, to "not feel threatened to be beaten all the time." For someone of his age, that probably is enough. I'm sure for some older African-Americans, not being beaten anymore was enough, too. But the next generation wants to more fully participate in society as an equal.

    For gays and lesbians, marriage is the final stage that the nation is allowing them to fully participate as equal citizens. If you're against that, you are telling them that you believe they are NOT fully equal as citizens. It may not be your intent, but it's the message that's received. I'm sorry for you that this debate frustrates you. But you have the right to marry and the right to do with your life as you wish.

    Now imagine the frustration if YOU were the one being told you couldn't marry and support the person you love. Wouldn't you be even more frustrated? I'm sorry, but I won't let you play the victim here. Your frustration is nothing compared to the frustrations of those who want to legally share their lives with one another and have the country who takes their tax dollars treat them the same as their neighbors. I only wish you knew what that frustration feels like. If you did, I'd imagine your views would be different.
    Im sorry you feel that way...

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    Re: Ken Mehlman reveals he's gay

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sorry you feel that way...
    Thanks, I suppose - but what I would have preferred is that you used empathy to simply try to understand the argument from another point of view.

    You say you feel frustrated by this argument; but I'm trying to get you to imagine living a life where you're told that you're relationship isn't worth the same.

    If you had two brothers - one straight, one gay - how would you tell your gay brother that you value his relationship less than your straight brother's? And how would you imagine he would take that? Could you imagine trying to hear that from someone?

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