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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Selective reading at it's best.
    I dont see anything that encourages the violation of American law.
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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Olak View Post
    You know America has these same handbooks. We have handbooks on what to expect if you visit every single country without papers, and how to protect yourself, and how to get out. I'm not sure why a nation protecting it's people is wrong. Mexico has no onus towards America.
    Yeah, you must have missed the part about
    "What would the Mexican government say if we encouraged our citizens to violate Mexican law?"
    Personally I think making illegal entry a capital crime would solve many problems very quickly.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    But our country does indeed tell it's citizens how to avoid police and even if the nation is substitutable to bribes! Go read some of the CIA warnings on some African nations, they all but say "hey throw em a 20$ and your golden!"

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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I dont see anything that encourages the violation of American law.
    Of course you don't.

    “Guide for the Mexican Migrant” takes this a step further, not only explaining the dangers, but also explaining how to get around them.
    In addition to warning that “crossing the river can be very risky,” the guide explains that the way to get around this is to avoid big clothing. “Heavy clothing grows heavier when wet, and this makes it difficult to swim or float,” the pamphlet reads. It goes on to counsel migrants that “drinking water mixed with salt will help to replace lost body fluids” and prevent dehydration while crossing the desert. Those who find themselves lost are advised to “use power lines, train tracks or dirt roads as guides.”

    These phrases are clearly not aimed at discouraging migrants. Rather, those who may have been previously discouraged may feel more secure sneaking across the border with the booklet’s advice in hand.
    If this isn’t blatant enough, the booklet also includes advice on how to avoid being detected once migrants have successfully crossed the border. These suggestions include avoiding “loud parties,” “fights” and “domestic violence,” and encourage migrants not to divulge their migratory status if questioned by authorities.

    These are clearly not instructions from a government that wishes to prevent its citizens from illegally entering the United States, which is fitting considering that Mexico has historically encouraged its citizens to migrate.

    As Harvard Professor Samuel Huntington explains in his book on immigration, “Who Are We?” this is because Mexicans working in the United States make a significant contribution to the economy of Mexico by sending all their earnings home.

    According to Huntington, “the Mexican government estimated that (money sent from the U.S. to Mexico) would increase by 35 percent in 2001, exceed $9 billion and probably replace tourism as Mexico’s second largest source of foreign exchange after oil exports.”
    It’s clear that the Mexican government has something to be gained from illegal migration and has, since the 1980s, promoted the idea of dual nationalities for those who are willing to sneak themselves across the American border.

    In fact, Mexican President Vicente Fox described these people in 2000 as “heroes” for having left the country in search of opportunity and for their contribution to the Mexican economy”.
    The Graphic - Guide promotes illegal immigration
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Olak View Post
    Go to Iraq.

    Seriously though in areas of some African or South Asian we have security forces which patrol in and around the American interest. Corporations, embassies, hospitals that service these. They might not be uniformed - and I don't think these Mexicans are - nor do they have rights - which these Mexicans don't, however it is common.

    Plus why is it wrong for Mexico to take an interest in protecting it's citizens.
    The soldiers in Iraq are not there to ensure the security of U.S. citizens. They are there to promote a stable Iraq. BTW, combat troops have left and only support troops remain.

    As for those other countries, you will have to give a credible link to show that U.S. officials are patrolling the streets to ensure the security of American citizens.
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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not to mention it already happens with other countries embassies and so on in the US, plus of course the UN.
    Within the embassies, sure. The embassies are the sovereign territory of the state occupying said embassy. This does not apply to the sovereign territory of the host state.
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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Olak View Post
    But our country does indeed tell it's citizens how to avoid police and even if the nation is substitutable to bribes! Go read some of the CIA warnings on some African nations, they all but say "hey throw em a 20$ and your golden!"

    That's not the same as teaching people how to sneak into a country.

    In fact the only warnings I've ever seen equate to "you better learn that nations laws because if you screw up you're on you're own".
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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Within the embassies, sure. The embassies are the sovereign territory of the state occupying said embassy. This does not apply to the sovereign territory of the host state.
    What does not apply? All I am saying is that foreign nations do exactly the same thing on US soil, within embassies and outside embassies.
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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Olak View Post
    Around many of the consulate building here in NYC you see security details. They check out restaurants, deal with any issues natives of their country may face in this country, in courts, banking, and a number of issues. If Mexicans approached their embassy I'm sure it has means to help them, and this is in NYC so it's not that far from their embassy.
    Are they 'security details' or are they simply representatives from the embassy checking that the rights of their nationals are not violated. The former, they do not have a right to do... nothing wrong with the later.
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    Re: Mexican Police to Patrol NY?

    Quote Originally Posted by Olak View Post
    But our country does indeed tell it's citizens how to avoid police and even if the nation is substitutable to bribes! Go read some of the CIA warnings on some African nations, they all but say "hey throw em a 20$ and your golden!"
    Source for that?
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