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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The man is a bold faced liar. If a Sharia supporting Islamist who says that America is an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after the attacks, and refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, is moderate then what's a radical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The man is trying to build a Mosque on the site where 19 of his co-religionists murdered 3,000 innocent Americans. This man said that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the US less than 3 weeks after 9-11. And this Imam supports a Sharia compliant U.S. the same as all Islamists including Bin Laden.

    Was he directly involved in 9-11? No. Has he been directly linked to terrorism? No. But as an Islamist he is part of the problem as it is the Islamist ideology which is directly responsible for the epidemic of Islamist terrorism.

    Good for that, it still doesn't change the fact that he's an Islamist.

    Oh I'm certainly fighting the intolerance of Islam in which the only accepted mainstream views within all five major sects is that apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal offenses.

    Planes don't kill people, Jihadists flying planes into buildings kill people and these pilots didn't kill these people in the name of pilotry they killed these people in the name of Islam.

    No it's actually informed I have informed myself as to the nature of the man spearheading this initiative, he has stated that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11, he has repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and he supports a Sharia compliant U.S. in which secular laws do not contradict the Koran or the Hadiths.

    Tell me is there a large Muslim population in the area in pressing need of a Mosque? Doubtful considering that there are already several Mosques in the are.

    Tell me why if this was an attempt at community outreach they didn't build something like a non-denominational community center or a memorial to the victims of 9-11? Why did they instead choose to build a Mega-Mosque?

    Would you support the building of an Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica?
    Man, you sure got your paranoid buzz words down pact, doncha ferris?

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

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    No I just like working here in this record store.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

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    Man, you sure got your paranoid buzz words down pact, doncha ferris?

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    Holy **** stating facts is now paranoia. **** half of those words are paraphrases of Sharia law (oops I guess we can't call Islamic Fiqh Sharia law ) and half are what the Imam himself has actually said.

    I guess this what happens when you completely run out of argumentation, resort to attacking word choice. Christ that's so ****tarded that I don't think they've even bothered to label it a logical fallacy yet, "reductio ad-wordenum", has a certain ring to it but not entirely accurate, oh I know "argumentum ad-verbum," patent pending.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

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    No I just like working here in this record store.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Holy **** stating facts is now paranoia. **** half of those words are paraphrases of Sharia law (oops I guess we can't call Islamic Fiqh Sharia law ) and half are what the Imam himself has actually said.

    I guess this what happens when you completely run out of argumentation, resort to attacking word choice. Christ that's so ****tarded that I don't think they've even bothered to label it a logical fallacy yet, "reductio ad-wordenum", has a certain ring to it but not entirely accurate, oh I know "argumentum ad-verbum," patent pending.
    Well, there is definitely a logical fallacy label for your prejudicial use of the word "Sharia law" especially when you soon follow it up with more buzzwords like "terrorist," "murdered", "kill, kill, kill", and oh yes your favorite, "apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal offenses." Man, if I had nickel for everytime you said that in context with Sharia Law, I'd be a rich woman.

    The Buzzword Fallacy might at first be thought to be merely an extreme form of use of prejudicial language. However, the use of buzzwords incorporates two elements not found in mere emotionally-loaded language — deliberate programming of the emotional value of the buzzword through focused propaganda and narrowing of the meaning of the buzzword to a single connotation for those who have accepted the propaganda line.

    Ordinary people, who do not control any of the means of mass communication, can generally use prejudicial language to their personal advantage only in the manner discussed under the Prejudicial Language Fallacy — i.e., by attempting to associate with their opponents general words or concepts which already have negative emotional value. However, persons who are able to obtain a captive audience of true believers (as in some political organizations, religious denominations and cults), or who are able to obtain substantial access to the means of mass communication, can do something more powerful than this — they can through various deliberate psychological manipulations program the reflex, "knee jerk," reaction their followers will have to certain terms. This reaction can be either positive or negative, and can be made quite strong.

    Moreover, the creators of a buzzword can also make reasoned debate with their followers almost impossible by "locking" the meaning of a buzzword that has several natural meanings into the single connotation that elicits the desired "knee jerk" reaction.....
    Erroneous methods of inference yielding convincing falsehoods
    It says there that reasoned argumentation, discussion or debate with a knee jerk propagandist who uses fallacious buzzwords like you do, is impossible. But hey, if it's any consolation, I don't think you are alone in your fallacy, because Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck do it, too. They've done it with buzzwords like, "socialism, communist, community organizer, nazi", either as code or in context with Blacks or Liberals. So I just think that pointing out "the buzzword fallacy" might help others to recognize the fallacy for it really is, a manipulative, mind numbing, propaganda technique. Which might also help explain why 1 in 5 Americans believe Obama is a Muslim and why so many are against a Muslim community center being built near Ground Zero.
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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, there is definitely a logical fallacy label for your prejudicial use of the word "Sharia law"
    WTF, that's like saying the "prejudicial use of the words Nuremberg Laws,"

    especially when you soon follow it up with more buzzwords like "terrorist," "murdered", "kill, kill, kill", and oh yes your favorite, "apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal offenses." Man, if I had nickel for everytime you said that in context with Sharia Law, I'd be a rich woman.
    lol those are a synopsis of what all five schools of Islamic Fiqh actually dictate, stating facts is now a logical fallacy.

    It says there that reasoned argumentation, discussion or debate with a knee jerk propagandist who uses fallacious buzzwords like you do, is impossible. But hey, if it's any consolation, I don't think you are alone in your fallacy, because Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck do it, too. They've done it with buzzwords like, "socialism, communist, community organizer, nazi", either as code or in context with liberal. So I just think that pointing out "the buzzword fallacy" might help others to recognize the fallacy for it really is, a manipulative, mind numbing, propaganda technique. Which might also help explain why 1 in 5 Americans believe Obama is a Muslim and why so many are against a Muslim community center being built near Ground Zero.

    Using the word "Sharia" is not a buzzword it's simply using the proper term when the person in question supports the implementation of Islamic law.

    The use of the word "terrorist" is not a buzzword fallacy when the organization in question is actually a terrorist organization or when there is actually a tenable association. The word terrorist could be used as a buzzword fallacy, for example that commercial that tries to associate terrorism with smoking marijuana as if there was actually a tenable association to be had.

    Using the word "Islamist" is not a buzzword fallacy when the person in question is actually an Islamist.

    Stating facts can never be a logical fallacy.

    It's only a fallacy when I attempt to associate these people or organizations with these words that have negative connotations when there is no association, I have stated quite clearly that this man is not a terrorist and yet you want to use me saying that he's not a terrorist as an example of trying to associate him with terrorism.

    Associating Islamism with Islamist terrorism is not a buzzword fallacy because the two actually have a causal relationship. There is in fact a tenable association.

    An actual example of this fallacy would be something like the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, I mean who can be against preserving freedom right? But wait the actual act restricts internet freedom, or how about the Patriot Act which would imply that opposition to the proposal would be unpatriotic. These are associating words with things in which there is no actual association, those are examples of buzzword fallacies.

    Some other examples of this type propaganda would be terms; such as, pro-life and pro-choice or man made global warming and climate change. Or deliberately switching one word with a negative connotation with a word with a positive or neutral connotation; such as, extermination to evacuation, or terrorist to freedom fighter, or the inverse by changing a word with a neutral connnotation to a negative connotation; such as, automatic weapon to assault rifle.

    I have not engaged in any of this type of thing. I have used the proper terms in the proper contexts. Quite frankly I don't think you even really know what the hell you're talking about.
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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    I think I can paraphrase part of the critique of your message. First, you sound like your just regurgitating Beck and Limbaugh and trying to sound smart. For instance, there is no such thing as Sharia law. It is an interpretation of passages in the Quran. Much as there are many interpretations and expression of law and rules from the Bible, there are also such differences in interpretation of the Quran. You act as though there is some written document called Sharia Law that all Muslims (Not "Islamists" - Yes it is a buzzword, you really can't think for yourself) must adhere to. "Muslim" is as varied as "Christian". And, to really freak you out... read these excerpt from the Quran


    O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near

    ...Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you in submission to Allah superior to those who disbelieve

    Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth].

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Bereal View Post
    I think I can paraphrase part of the critique of your message. First, you sound like your just regurgitating Beck and Limbaugh and trying to sound smart. For instance, there is no such thing as Sharia law. It is an interpretation of passages in the Quran.
    Bull****, Sharia law is the Ijma (consensus) of the Ulama (Islamic Jurists) used to determine Islamic Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) through THEIR interpretation of the Koran and the Hadiths within any of the 5 main schools of Islamic Jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali, and Ja'fari).

    Much as there are many interpretations and expression of law and rules from the Bible, there are also such differences in interpretation of the Quran. You act as though there is some written document called Sharia Law that all Muslims (Not "Islamists" - Yes it is a buzzword, you really can't think for yourself) must adhere to.
    Islamist is not a buzzword, it is a specific term for non-Secular Muslims who believe in theocratic governance based on Sharia law.

    Get educated:

    Fiqh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ijma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ulama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quite frankly you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about, there is a Sharia law, this Sharia law is determined through the Ijma of the Ulema, there are only 5 main schools of Islamic Jurisprudennce, Sharia Law is not determined at the individual level it is determined by Islamic Jurists. And an Islamist specifically refers to those Muslims who support implementing this legal system at the state and national level.

    "Muslim" is as varied as "Christian". And, to really freak you out... read these excerpt from the Quran


    O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near

    ...Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you in submission to Allah superior to those who disbelieve

    Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth].
    We got another one, I'M AN ATHEIST, not a Christian.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 08-24-10 at 05:07 PM.

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