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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    My favorite is Rove saying that the best way to stand up for freedom of religion is not to use it! The radical right must really think people are ignorant and susceptible to suggestion. Oh, wait... crap. they're right. lol. Seriously, I have a lot of Republican friends and family. They believe in certain economic theories, etc. I am not a rep., but think it is really sad what these radicals are doing to a legitimate party.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post

    Front... Page... Mag...
    Ya I clearly pointed that out when presenting the article anyways here's a link to the full guest list:

    Ramadan Dinner at the White House: The Guest List | 44 | washingtonpost.com

    The rest of it is speculation might I add. They weren't convicted of anything,
    So what? Why is Obama inviting over unindicted terrorist co-conspirators and overt Islamists over for dinner?

    and Obama has billions of people come to the White House,
    lol, you don't get onto a guest list for dinner with the President just because. Why were they on the guest list? Who in his administration authorized them to be on the guest list? The President doesn't review the guest list prior to the event? There were only 44 people invited to that dinner, and two of them were overt Islamists and they weren't heads of Islamic states or ambassodors thereof or anything of that nature.

    it's all politics, do you think he sits there scheming and plotting to have radical islamists come to the White House? I'm sure if he wanted to he'd do it a bit more secretively... I mean after all he is the president...

    So once again you use a non-mainstream source to paint people radical.
    Sorry but there were only 44 people at that dinner, those who were there had to have been hand picked.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    How do we know when we're doing something wrong? Do we need to walk on eggshells? This is our country, our land, we have the right to be against something that is hurtful to our citizens.
    It is NOT your right to tell people what they can do on their property when they've already done everything legal to get their permits.

    It's not your right (like Pat Robertson did about my neighbors in Murfreesboro) to tell lies about people and then use those lies as justification to prevent them from practicing their religion.

    It's inherently anti-American. A mosque or community center on private property isn't hurtful to anyone except those who want to blame an entire 1.5 billion people for the actions of 19 extremists and their funders.

    Those against the Cordoba House project and those against the mosque in Murfreesboro are religious bigots and nothing more. You want to make your opinion more important than the 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion. Building a place of worship isn't shoving their belief in your face. You attempting to prevent them from building a place of worship IS shoving your belief in their face.

    Anyone trying to prevent legally zoned and permitted houses of worship (hell, even the insanity that is Scientology) are against freedom of religion and you open the door for angry mobs to prevent the construction of ANY house of worship. God knows, we could use fewer churches in Nashville. So, I think I'll use your precedent and say that we've got too many as it is, so no more can be built. Too bad. God knows that a bunch of the churches here in Nashville are tacky and ostentatious in their architecture. I think I'll use that to prevent any more houses of worship from being built.

    Why don't we come up with any excuse we can to prevent any more churches from being built. No more synagogues. No more stupas. No more temples. If you prevent one religion from building for any reasons aside from legal zoning issues, then you open the door for the prevention of all of them.

    The mob doesn't get to tell the minority what to do.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    This guy is just as bad as anyone from Fox, probably worse, cause he's saying stuff that he has made up to make people seem like they are against freedom of religion and that's not it. I've heard Rove speak and he's really just speaking the truth, that these Muslim's are being insensitive to New Yorker's when wanting to build this close to ground zero. They are Muslim's for crissake. Have they forgotten why the twin towers fell, and nearly 3,000 people died? It's because Muslim's in the name of their religion were hell-bent on killing all American's, or as many as possible. Most American's are against them building there. They should quietly take the offers they've been given, and go build their Mosque there.
    So you think it would be equally offending if Christians attempted to build a church near Waco or in Oklahoma City?

    The problem I see here is the generalization. You, like all who oppose this mosque, think all Muslims are or at least sympathize with al-Qaida and islamist terrorism. I don't see how this is anything but stereotyping prejudice.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    It is NOT your right to tell people what they can do on their property when they've already done everything legal to get their permits.
    It's not your right to tell me what I am allowed to protest. I have the right to exercise my freedom of speech, association, and assembly to protest the building of this Mosque, you have no right to silence me or anyone else.

    It's not your right (like Pat Robertson did about my neighbors in Murfreesboro) to tell lies about people and then use those lies as justification to prevent them from practicing their religion.
    Actually it is his right to say whatever he likes, it is the right of those people to sue for libel, slander, and defamation.

    It's inherently anti-American. A mosque or community center on private property isn't hurtful to anyone except those who want to blame an entire 1.5 billion people for the actions of 19 extremists and their funders.
    No we are not blaming 1.5 billion people, we are pointing to the specific actions of an overt Islamist and saying "look right here he is part of the problem with Islam."


    Those against the Cordoba House project and those against the mosque in Murfreesboro are religious bigots and nothing more.
    Those who support this Imam and his actions and not just his right to engage in those actions are supporters of Islamism and Sharia in the US.

    You want to make your opinion more important than the 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion.
    No but apparently you do.

    Building a place of worship isn't shoving their belief in your face.
    Yes it is when they are building that place of worship where 3,000 Americans were slaughtered by their co-religionists.

    You attempting to prevent them from building a place of worship IS shoving your belief in their face.
    So you would have our first amendment and property rights violated then?

    Anyone trying to prevent legally zoned and permitted houses of worship (hell, even the insanity that is Scientology) are against freedom of religion and you open the door for angry mobs to prevent the construction of ANY house of worship.
    False dichotomy, you can be both against the building of this particular Mosque and for the freedom of religion, in fact you can even be for their right to build this Mosque and against them building it.

    God knows, we could use fewer churches in Nashville. So, I think I'll use your precedent and say that we've got too many as it is, so no more can be built. Too bad. God knows that a bunch of the churches here in Nashville are tacky and ostentatious in their architecture. I think I'll use that to prevent any more houses of worship from being built.
    You have every right to protest these churches and encourage others not to trade their labour for capital from those wishing to build these churches.

    Why don't we come up with any excuse we can to prevent any more churches from being built. No more synagogues. No more stupas. No more temples. If you prevent one religion from building for any reasons aside from legal zoning issues, then you open the door for the prevention of all of them.

    The mob doesn't get to tell the minority what to do.
    The minority doesn't get to violate the First Amendment or property rights of the Majority. Nobody is calling for the state to intervene, and nobody is denying there freedom of religion, if they can get people to build the Mosque that's fine, they can not force people to build the Mosque against their will and they can not silence the opposition.

    It is abundantly clear that you do not support the First Amendment or property rights whatsoever.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    So you think it would be equally offending if Christians attempted to build a church near Waco
    No because Waco was an example of the state initiated slaughter of innocent people for exercising their freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

    or in Oklahoma City?
    No because Timothy McVeigh a) was agnostic not Christian, and b) certainly did not do what he did in the name of Christianity.

    But let's say that an organization wanted to build an Orthodox Church in the town of Srebrenica, I would be disgusted and seriously call into question the motives behind an organization which was attempting to engage in such a grotesquely insensitive act.

    The problem I see here is the generalization. You, like all who oppose this mosque, think all Muslims are or at least sympathize with al-Qaida and islamist terrorism. I don't see how this is anything but stereotyping prejudice.
    We are not generalizing whatsoever, we are pointing to the words and actions of a very specific Imam, it is you who is generalizing by trying to paint all Muslims as tolerant and peace loving when that is clearly not the case.
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    You really made my point about ignorance. What do the people who are building this mosque, and those who may attend it, have to do with 911? The guy who is in charge of this project helped the Bush administration in their efforts to fight terrorism. We are fighting intolerance (yours and Al Quaida's) not Islam. You make yourself sound so incredibly ignorant. Maybe we should stop allowing planes to fly near New York. After all it was PLANES that hit the buildings. Those guys who flew them were PILOTS! No pilots near ground zero! That's how much sense you make. Your attitude is an uninformed, emotional reaction.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Bereal View Post
    You really made my point about ignorance. What do the people who are building this mosque, and those who may attend it, have to do with 911?
    The man is trying to build a Mosque on the site where 19 of his co-religionists murdered 3,000 innocent Americans. This man said that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the US less than 3 weeks after 9-11. And this Imam supports a Sharia compliant U.S. the same as all Islamists including Bin Laden.

    Was he directly involved in 9-11? No. Has he been directly linked to terrorism? No. But as an Islamist he is part of the problem as it is the Islamist ideology which is directly responsible for the epidemic of Islamist terrorism.

    The guy who is in charge of this project helped the Bush administration in their efforts to fight terrorism.
    Good for that, it still doesn't change the fact that he's an Islamist.

    We are fighting intolerance (yours and Al Quaida's) not Islam.
    Oh I'm certainly fighting the intolerance of Islam in which the only accepted mainstream views within all five major sects is that apostasy, adultery, homosexuality, and/or premarital sex are capital and/or corporal offenses.

    You make yourself sound so incredibly ignorant. Maybe we should stop allowing planes to fly near New York. After all it was PLANES that hit the buildings. Those guys who flew them were PILOTS! No pilots near ground zero! That's how much sense you make.
    Planes don't kill people, Jihadists flying planes into buildings kill people and these pilots didn't kill these people in the name of pilotry they killed these people in the name of Islam.

    Your attitude is an uninformed, emotional reaction.
    No it's actually informed I have informed myself as to the nature of the man spearheading this initiative, he has stated that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11, he has repeatedly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and he supports a Sharia compliant U.S. in which secular laws do not contradict the Koran or the Hadiths.

    Tell me is there a large Muslim population in the area in pressing need of a Mosque? Doubtful considering that there are already several Mosques in the are.

    Tell me why if this was an attempt at community outreach they didn't build something like a non-denominational community center or a memorial to the victims of 9-11? Why did they instead choose to build a Mega-Mosque?

    Would you support the building of an Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica?
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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post

    And since when has New Jersey passed Sharia law in any bills? I'm just asking.
    They haven't. NJ is where a judge ruled in favor of a Muslim who raped his wife because of his religious belief's that allow for that. It was later overturned. However I was just pointing out the very slippery slope we are on.
    For those who think Sharia Law will never happen here, I say it probably won't either. However, we must stay vigilant to make sure it doesn't.

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    Re: Rush, Beck & Obama Muslim Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It's not your right to tell me what I am allowed to protest. I have the right to exercise my freedom of speech, association, and assembly to protest the building of this Mosque, you have no right to silence me or anyone else.



    Actually it is his right to say whatever he likes, it is the right of those people to sue for libel, slander, and defamation.



    No we are not blaming 1.5 billion people, we are pointing to the specific actions of an overt Islamist and saying "look right here he is part of the problem with Islam."



    Those who support this Imam and his actions and not just his right to engage in those actions are supporters of Islamism and Sharia in the US.



    No but apparently you do.



    Yes it is when they are building that place of worship where 3,000 Americans were slaughtered by their co-religionists.



    So you would have our first amendment and property rights violated then?



    False dichotomy, you can be both against the building of this particular Mosque and for the freedom of religion, in fact you can even be for their right to build this Mosque and against them building it.



    You have every right to protest these churches and encourage others not to trade their labour for capital from those wishing to build these churches.



    The minority doesn't get to violate the First Amendment or property rights of the Majority. Nobody is calling for the state to intervene, and nobody is denying there freedom of religion, if they can get people to build the Mosque that's fine, they can not force people to build the Mosque against their will and they can not silence the opposition.

    It is abundantly clear that you do not support the First Amendment or property rights whatsoever.
    I've never said you can't complain about it. It's your right. It's your right not to work on the building. I've not read anywhere about anyone trying to force construction workers to remodel an old Burlington Coat Factory.

    But those of you trying to prevents its construction are attempting to violate the freedom of religion of others.

    What is the stated goal of the protest if not to prevent it from being built? If that's the case, then you're violating their 1st Amendment rights. Period. End of story.

    If you desire it not to be built despite it being utterly legal - then you are attempting to violate someone's rights and freedoms. Simple. Not hard to understand.

    If the goal is just to shriek about how wrong you think it is, then you're well within your rights. Trying to drive someone out of the neighborhood because you don't like them is a violation of their rights. This is no different that the legal protests of the KKK. It's within their rights to march. But if it's their goal to drive black people out of town, then they're violating people's rights. If the goal is try to prevent a synagogue, from being built, then it's a violation of people's rights. If the goal is to make noise and be obnoxious, then it's perfectly legal.

    From what I see, I don't think the goal is just to make a lot of noise.

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