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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Unfortunately, your definition of victory isn't the definition being used by those making reference to the "victory mosque," and it's probably not the definition used by the guys who flew themselves into the towers.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Unfortunately, your definition of victory isn't the definition being used by those making reference to the "victory mosque," and it's probably not the definition used by the guys who flew themselves into the towers.
    Indeed - but I'd just like to see them admit that they share the same notions of 'victory' as a bunch of dead terrorists rather than
    with the majority of everyone else, US Muslims included.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Unfortunately, your definition of victory isn't the definition being used by those making reference to the "victory mosque," and it's probably not the definition used by the guys who flew themselves into the towers.
    I can't help but feel that this is exactly what the terrorists wanted, they wanted people to turn against Islam, to villify it, to be prejudiced against it. That way it turns Islam against all westerners.

    I mean, if Islam is as radical as everyone keeps suggesting, why wasn't radical islamists attacking the United States since its inception? I mean surely since they

    "Hate our rights and freedoms"

    They'd have wanted to destroy them from the very beggining?

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I can't help but feel that this is exactly what the terrorists wanted, they wanted people to turn against Islam, to villify it, to be prejudiced against it. That way it turns Islam against all westerners.

    I mean, if Islam is as radical as everyone keeps suggesting, why wasn't radical islamists attacking the United States since its inception? I mean surely since they

    "Hate our rights and freedoms"

    They'd have wanted to destroy them from the very beggining?
    Indeed. Responding to irrational hatred with irrational hatred just adds to the hatred - and seeing as it wasn't you who started it with that aim in mind, you lose. Unless you joined with the aim of promoting hatred (possibly with political aims in mind...) in which case, shame on you.

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    Hate adds only to hate. Cross through the angel of death and you give it extra wings.
    The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Indeed. Responding to irrational hatred with irrational hatred just adds to the hatred - and seeing as it wasn't you who started it with that aim in mind, you lose. Unless you joined with the aim of promoting hatred (possibly with political aims in mind...) in which case, shame on you.

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    Another Revelevant Quote:

    "Too often sinister threats to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind, are concealed under the patriotic cloak of Anti-communism.” - Adlai Stevenson

    Today, it's the cloak of Anti Terrorism.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I can't help but feel that this is exactly what the terrorists wanted, they wanted people to turn against Islam, to villify it, to be prejudiced against it. That way it turns Islam against all westerners.
    I'm pretty sure they figured the Great Satan was already against Islam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I mean, if Islam is as radical as everyone keeps suggesting, why wasn't radical islamists attacking the United States since its inception? I mean surely since they

    "Hate our rights and freedoms"

    They'd have wanted to destroy them from the very beggining?
    Geography and the fact that they reserve most of their violence for another are the first two reasons that come to mind. Well, that and the fact that we weren't getting ourselves involved in their business. Also, oil was a long way off from being a central pillar of our foreign policy.

    Oh, and I almost forgot -- because they don't actually hate our freedumbs.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I can't help but feel that this is exactly what the terrorists wanted, they wanted people to turn against Islam, to villify it, to be prejudiced against it.
    Yeah, that's what they wanted.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    This is such a complicated challenge.
    Personally I think it may be too soon to build a mosque there but am not going to protest march.

    There have been many who state the media only show us the negative parts of the middle east war and don't show what many soldiers have said are the muslims who appreciate them and like them.
    Next these same Americans don't want the mosque because muslims are untrustworthy.
    So one part we don't like muslims but in the next sentence we want to sacrifice our young men and women fighting and rebuilding their countries.
    Do we or do we not like them?

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Opinion.

    Appeal to Emotion.
    No the first one was a fact, the 2nd one was the only logical conclusion one can possibly reach regarding the purpose of this Mega-Mosque given that the project was spearheaded by an overt anti-American Islamist.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Next they'll be telling us that everything beneath the flight path of the planes is Ground Zero, on account of the fact that everyone below was sucking the sacred fumes of the sacred planes.
    It was actually hit by the landing gear of one of the planes not a small little chunk of debris off one of the towers.

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